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why are they calling cain mexican

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#1 ·
i watch the advertisements and it looks like they are trying to play this off as Mexico vs USA. they show a mexican flag for cain and an american flag for brock. also sayin cain could be the first mexican champ but cain isnt mexican. He is american he was born in america lives in america and trains in america. His father was from mexico but he is not.
 
#2 ·
well.. sometimes i like to say im german.. even though ive lived in america my entire life and was born here ;)

when someone asks though I always say american.. because thats what I really am.
 
#30 ·
well its wrong in the sense that he isnt actually mexican, this is a fact, doesnt matter how much he wants to be mexican, he still wont be

i love the japanese culture...so if i get some japanese tattoos, do some ninja crap, draw a manga, use kimonos all the time and only eat japanese food can i be the first japanese HW champ in the UFC?...um...no... im still brazilian, doesnt matter if i want to be japanese, im still not and therefore im not the first japanese HW champ of the UFC

if some day an actual mexican gets a title shot in the UFC and actually becomes a HW champ then HE will be the true 1st mexican champion

cain can go in there with the flag and fight for mexico but at the end of the day hes american, he can represent mexico, no problem, especially if all of mexico is behind him, but its still wrong for the UFC to call him the 1st mexican HW champ, not wrong moraly but wrong technically
 
#31 ·
Saying you are american or mexican doesn't really mean anything from the perspective you are getting at. You don't represent an arbitrary land mass, citizenship is a recognition by a government not a society or a culture. Cain to my knowledge hasn't denounced his citizenship so this affiliation he feels is obviously from a cultural and heritable standpoint. The UFC uses those flags because they are in the business of two men bludgeoning each other not the business of nuanced discussions about ethnicity and culture.

America doesn't have real cultural consistencies outside of consumerism because of its size and diversity in not only ethnicity but weather, landscape, and wealth. So culture is developed and practiced on a far more regional basis here than in most countries.

You attack the validity of Cain being able to represent Mexico but how is Brock representing America when the way he was raised and lives represents a small minority of the people within the country. Cain probably has more in common from a cultural standpoint with more Mexicans living in Mexico than Brock does with Americans living in America.


Nationalism is ******* stupid, the end.
 
#33 ·
damn is every american like this, who gives a shite where he claims to be from, i buy that he has mexican heritage end of story its not like his saying hes asian when he clearly isn't
 
#217 ·
Why are you ragging on Americans, bro? I see you're from Australia - so let me use an analogy - let's say that there was an Aussie born fighter who was born and bred in Australia - but the pre-fight trailer said that he "looks to become the first Scottish fighter to win the HW title", because he was of Scottish descent. Wouldn't that seem odd to you?
 
#35 ·
what is american actually? there really isn't an american "race" per se... america is a country built on emigration. so everyone from here way deep down in their family tree didn't really originate from here. the real originators are the natives and they're practically extinct.


IMO being American is more of a lifestyle than it is a race/culture. I believe this is how everyone should approach the "american culture"... it would definitely avoid a lot of confusion, like with people such as the thread creator...

my 2 cents
 
#38 ·
all im saying is who gives a shite, if someone says they are a different race than american doesnt mean you have to make a 4 page argument to whether he is or not
 
#39 ·
Mexican isn’t an ethnicity, in the USA there is a popular belief that Mexican is a race and Mexico has a homogenous population but nothing can be farther from the truth.

Mexico has anything from blacks with African ancestry to mezzo-American Indians (Aztec, Olmec, Toltec, Mayan, etc) to Irish, French, Spanish, Russian, even Asian and Jewish.

Remember the previous President of Mexico Vincente Fox? A “white” guy, 6’6” who was Irish and Spanish?
American/USA isn't a race either. He's claiming a cultural heritage, not a racial or national identity. Get over it...
 
#40 ·
American/USA isn't a race either. He's claiming a cultural heritage, not a racial identity. Get over it.
yes thank you a moderator brings peace. unrelated but i bought a premium account 3 days ago and for some reason i havent got the mmembership yet???
 
#41 ·
His parents, grandparents were born in Mexico.
And i am pretty sure, they tried to raise Cain to be pround of his origins.
In general, mexicans/latinos are extremely proud of their roots.
Even though grew up in the US, i think he feels a very strong connection with Mexico.
I don't see a problem in that.
 
#43 ·
welcome to the sullied history of America's dealings with race and ethnicity

Wikipedia "One drop rule" and youll be in for a suprise :thumb02:

The reality is most non-white peoples of America are recognized by their non-white (ie. American) phenotypic features. This is only a complex issue for African-Americans, as they have a history slightly different than most other non-white ethnicities.

Look at Nam Phan...if most people saw him walking down the street they wouldnt say "hey, thats an American guy"...youd probably notice all this "typcial" Asian features and label him an Asian man....despite the fact he was born and raised in Orange County, California and has a valley accent.

American history :)
 
#59 ·
Bingo!

This thread is bullshit.

My parents are Cypriot. I was born in England. I talk English. I have a UK passport. I've spend my WHOLE life in the UK. I don't speak Greek very well at all. I am not a dual national.

BUT. I don't fecking look English. I look Greek Cypriot. If anybody asks me where I'm *from*... I reply Cyprus. Because, I know they are asking me because of how I *look*.

Cain calls himself Mexican. He looks Mexican. He wears the Mexican flag. He is aligned to the country via blood and history. If you don't like it, mind your own fecking business and focus on the important stuff: How good a fecking fighter Cain is.
Another person who gets it :thumbsup:


TBH I dont really see how any American over the age of 12 doesnt understand how race and ethnicity works in this country. If you are non-white or have a foreign sounding name then you are from somewhere else. Every minority knows this, white Americans know it too but for some reason some get mad when you claim your heritage as YOURS. The same exact heritage they use to identify you in every facet of life.

Its almost like you want people to pretend to be something you will never let them be.:confused:
 
#44 ·
This thread is bullshit.

My parents are Cypriot. I was born in England. I talk English. I have a UK passport. I've spend my WHOLE life in the UK. I don't speak Greek very well at all. I am not a dual national.

BUT. I don't fecking look English. I look Greek Cypriot. If anybody asks me where I'm *from*... I reply Cyprus. Because, I know they are asking me because of how I *look*.

Cain calls himself Mexican. He looks Mexican. He wears the Mexican flag. He is aligned to the country via blood and history. If you don't like it, mind your own fecking business and focus on the important stuff: How good a fecking fighter Cain is.
 
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