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"If Kampmann Doesn't Tap, I'll Snap That Thing In Half"

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#1 ·


"I visualize me and Kampmann fighting and it's always me winning or dominating him."

"I’m not going to cuss out Kampmann and stuff but I don't like the guy. He's trying to stop me from achieving what I want to achieve. I'll have no problems hurting him. If it takes his arm and doesn't tap, I'll snap that thing in half."
 
#9 ·
True. Kampmann is a way better striker. The problem is, EVERYONE is a better striker than Sheilds, and he wins anyway. Shields has been KO/TKO'd once in his entire career, and that was like 10 years ago in his 3rd mma fight.

His striking is awful, but it doesn't matter, because he has a good chin, and he eventually gets the fight to the ground, where he is an exceptional grappler.

I really don't see that Kampmann is going to be able to do what a lot of other really good strikers couldn't do. Eventually he gets taken down and loses.
 
#30 ·
Except that Kampmann actually has a ground game. Paul Daley probobly doesn't even know what a single-leg is. I think Sheilds will win but I think that people are really just writing Kampmann off. Kampmann is a pretty damn good fighter, and one of the most well rounded fighters in the division. I see the fight being pretty competitive to be honest.
 
#8 ·
Bringing shields into the ww division is going to create a lot of interesting match ups. Kampmann is no slouch and I expect him to bring out the best in Shields, I can see this fight going both ways for sure. As far as future match ups we can see GSP, kos, fitch, rum ble, alves, and the list goes on. The thing that I don't get about shields is how he looked quite bad against daley, and then goes on to control a guy like Henderson which is not an easy thing to do. He could possibly add another dimension to the ww division although I don't see him doing what he thinks he can do against gsp.
 
#18 ·
Randy was never Top 5? =/ The guy has wins over Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Jeremy Horn, Pedro Rizzo, Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, Tim Sylvia, Gabriel Gonzaga, Mark Coleman and Brandon Vera. He was an olympic gold medallist in Greco Roman, which he adapted to Mixed Martial Arts superbly. Randy in his prime was definitely Top 5, and I'd say with 1 more decent win he could be Top 5 at 205 now. How can you dismiss Captain America like that? The dude is a legend of the sport. As for the camp, I'm pretty sure Forrest Griffin was champ at 205, and Gray Maynard is fighting Frankie for the 155 title next. There's some very good fighters at that camp.

I think this is probably Jake Shields' hardest fight to date. Martin Kampmann is a legit contender at 170. Shields has fought dangerous strikers, and dangerous grapplers, but never fought anyone with the mix of dynamic striking and grappling, which is a mix Kampmann posesses. People can under-rate Kampmann's grappling as much as they like, but the dude knows how to stuff a takedown, and trains at a superb camp for learning wrestling. I seriously would not be surprised to see Kampmann nullify Shields' grappling and knock him out on the feet, or at least knock him down on the feet and then finish him. It all depends on just how good Kampmann's TDD is, if Shields can get him down with relative ease, then Kampmann will lose; but I think it'll be via decision as I don't see Shields submitting Kampmann.
 
#19 ·
I think this is probably Jake Shields' hardest fight to date. Martin Kampmann is a legit contender at 170. Shields has fought dangerous strikers, and dangerous grapplers, but never fought anyone with the mix of dynamic striking and grappling, which is a mix Kampmann posesses. People can under-rate Kampmann's grappling as much as they like, but the dude knows how to stuff a takedown, and trains at a superb camp for learning wrestling. I seriously would not be surprised to see Kampmann nullify Shields' grappling and knock him out on the feet, or at least knock him down on the feet and then finish him. It all depends on just how good Kampmann's TDD is, if Shields can get him down with relative ease, then Kampmann will lose; but I think it'll be via decision as I don't see Shields submitting Kampmann.
I don't see him TKO him either...
 
#22 ·
No we are comparing Martain Kampmanns grappling to Jake Sheilds. And you are trying to say that Martain Kampmann can possibly outgrapple Jake Shields... That is an absolute joke.

Kampmann is nowhere near Shields level on the ground period.
 
#29 ·
I wonder if the UFC is gonna allow Kampmann compete after Jake rips one of his legs off... :D
 
#38 ·
I dont know why so many people really think its going to be one sided either direction.

Both guys are LEGIT.

Shields - I would say the best overall grappler at WW, with GSP as a close 2nd(I'm including wrestling in the term "grappling"). His wrestling is really good, and his submission game is undoubtedly the best at WW in MMA. However, his striking game leaves a bit to be desired as does his ground and pound. For his dominance on the ground in terms of control, he isnt a particularly devastating GnP'er.

Kampmann - Very underrated grappling. His fight against Thiago Silva showed it, and while I obviously believe Shields is better, I dont think Shields will have quite the easy submission waiting there for him that some people think. His standup is definitely one of the best at WW.

Fight Outcome = If the fight stays standing Kampmann, if the fight goes to the ground 3x or more Shields wins.

Prediction = Shields via 3rd round submission. I think its a lot harder to stay standing in a fight than it is to get a fight to the ground if you really want it there, especially if you're skilled at takedowns. MMA has typically shown the grappler can usually takedown the striker if the grappler is 100% committed to doing so, and I think Jake Shields is going to work incredibly hard to get the fight to the ground to submit Kampmann. I dont think the sub will come easy though, its going to take a few attempts followed by an incredibly slick submission for victory.
 
#42 ·
I'm interested to see how often Kampmann commits to his punches knowing Jakes gonna be shootin on him.
 
#45 ·
I wonder why Mike Pyle doesn't seem too high on Jake Shields....

Oh, wait a minute... this is probably why...


 
#60 ·
The 25 minutes(it was a 5 round title fight) must have been so long you were asleep after the first 15 minutes. :wink01:


But you do have a point. While I appreciate grappling as much as anyone, the fact that its NOT unlimited rounds/time does NOT favor long grappling matches of attrition, thus I *HATE* seeing decisions and fighters using heavy grappling en route to a decision victory, as its not necessarily a true reflection of "who really would have won if the fight wasnt decided by judges"

I wont fault the grapplers that attempt many submissions and fail, or at least the guys who use HEAVY ground and pound, but the "lay and pray" with low submission attempt counts or very minor ground and pound pisses me off. Its just exploiting the 3 round 10 point "must" system by making the fight scored only upon a few small instances.

Anyway, its an issue that likely wont change until larger bonuses are awarded for ALL finishes or punishments purse wise are taken for decisions. Pay the guys who decide the fights themselves or instead make the fighters pay the judges some of their purse for having to decide the fight.
 
#61 ·
Shields/Fitch would be a sick grappling chess match... WTF.

The technique, switches, scrambles, reversals and sub attempts would be unreal.
 
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