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Ryan Bader Is Not To Be Underestimated

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#1 ·
Ok, I am not sure what's up with the site or if it's my computer or whatever but everytime I try to click on the Jones/Bader thread it logs me out, preventing me from typing anything so this is why I am making a thread as I don't seem to get logged out.


Anyways, i've seen like 95 per cent people in favour of Bones Jones. Some saying outlandish stuff like how he's gonna TKO Bader within the first round. Look, i'm a little bit of a fan of the kid myself (though a bit less these days) and he has been a big roll, but he is not invincible and he is not facing a weak fighter. He is facing his equal. Ryan Bader is a very difficult fighter to deal with and I can't emphases that enough. I think Jones has his work cut out for him. I think Bones could win, but it won't be in convincing fashion and I wouldn't be surprised to see Bader get the decision or even a late 3rd round KO.

Bader's cardio has been called into question by a lot of people and it is fair to say he slows down after a couple of rounds, but I am thinking his cardio will be up a notch for this fight. He isn't going to be easy to take down like Jones previous opponents. He may be slower than Bones but I will bet he is more stronger and has proven KO power. Bones is a more dynamic striker but he tends to leave himself wide open with those long limbs and if Bader catches him with even one of those or a ground and pound attack then it's goodnight Mr Hype Train.

I see Bones being quietly confident but getting a bit shook when he feels Bader's power in the clinch and striking exchanges. Bones could get the decision, but he won't control and elbow Bader into submission like he did with his last 3 opponents. Bader trains with Dollaway and our new Heavyweight champion, Mr Velasquez. So do not mistake him for some springboard to a title shot. The kid will be Bones toughest opponent to date.


And guys who take care of the site, please sort it out a bit. Like the whole getting logged out after 15 mins and not getting logged in even though I flippin' type in my user name and password. These things really irritate me.
 
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#3 ·
I'm a big Bader fan and i think it'll be a lot closer fight than people are thinking, but even through my rose tinted specs with bader nut hugging attatchment i can't see Ryan winning.
Bader had a few problems dealing with the miniscule reach advantage Lil nog had so i think Jones will be able to use his wrestling to keep it standing and use his MASSIVE reach advantage to grind out a UD.
 
#9 ·
I personally think the hype is warranted. Bones has been ragdolling higher ranked opposition and begging for bigger challenges while Baders biggest win was against Jardine who's since been released and lost at a smaller promotion. He did beat Rogerio I guess and although I didn't watch that fight, some said he received a gift decision. Baders a tough opponent but I wouldn't be surprised if Jones gave him a Cain vs Lesnar style beatdown. I just want to see the fight already:thumb02:
 
#10 ·
I wasn't impressed in the slighest with Bader's last 2 fights. He didn't look great against Jardine or Lil' Nog and he seems to have a pretty serious cardio problem. He needs to lose some of that muscle mass. Only way he takes this fight is by first round KO.

While on the other hand Jones has looked AMAZING against a higher level of competition. Turning Matt Hammill into a rag doll, destroying Vera, and putting Matyushenko down like it was nothing. Jone's takes this anyway he wants.

I also think Ryan Bader's wresling is severely overrated and Jones will have the advantage wherever it goes. Sure, he has a strong double leg, but after that he's got nothing. Jones has fought this type of fighter many times and should feel very comfortable coming into this fight.
 
#11 ·
If Bader has success with his wrestling than he should do well. He's a much better wrestler than anyone Bones has faced and who knows, with Jones being so tall and skinny, Ryan might be able to take him down at will. I hope not though. Rooting for Bones but Bader might shock everyone.
 
#16 ·
Whether you agree with the result or not Bader has wins over Jardine and Lil Nog on his record... as good as Phil davis is his resume just isnt as good so of course he isnt gonna be ranked as highly. Although i will add Davis beating Gustafsson in the 1st round now looks amazing considering how good he looked last time out at UFC 120.
 
#17 ·
this^^

bader is very overrated...i dont see him making any waves...he seems like the type of fighter who would do well in the early ufc era....good wrestling (not great) and has power....thats it

lil nog won that fight IMO and jones should crush bader...before the lil nog fight i thought bader might actually pose some threat but now i just dont see it
 
#19 ·
I DEF Dont Underestimate Bader, and honestly i dont think 95% of the people on this site ARE Underestimating him....

Its just people on this site Arnt dumb asses and most the time they are not Biased. And if you stop and think about HOW convincingly Jon Jones has won his hardest fights to date its hard to put ANYONE to beat Jon Jones.

And im sure Ryan Bader will do GREAT in his..... Next fight.... :sarcastic12:
 
#23 ·
Its just people on this site Arnt dumb asses and most the time they are not Biased. And if you stop and think about HOW convincingly Jon Jones has won his hardest fights to date its hard to put ANYONE to beat Jon Jones.

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Well your a rude little twat, aren't ya? I'm not biased at all when it comes to this match up. I did say that I like both guys, just that Bader should not be underestimated. And if you think nobody is underestimating him then it is you is stupid as everybody on here seems to think he's going to get elbowed to death within the first round. We'll see though, I think Bader hasn't even shown his full potential yet and he has strength in areas that Bones does not. Vice versa too of course.
 
#20 ·
When this fight was first being thrown around, I was pretty sure that Jones was going to run straight through him. However, I watched the Jones/Obrian fight the other day. Obrian was doing pretty well against him until he got caught. Bader does everything Obrian does, but he does it a lot better. He is a better wrestler and has a lot more power in his hands. I think Bader can win this fight if he can keep it standing. I still thin Jones is probably going to take this, but I wont be surprised at all if Bader puts him to sleep.
 
#21 ·
I think I'm the same as others here, as far as being VERY unimpressed with Bader's last performance...His cardio can be worked on by fight time, but I think his wrestling is overrated.
JBJ, on the other hand, hasn't showed any weaknesses so far (except for some cardio problems during his first couple of fights)...

If a fighter is only as good as his last fight, then we have a definitive winner here...
 
#24 ·
I like Bader.

However his cardio remains appalling.

Also, there's the minor issue of his cutting what appears to be 40-45 lbs. in order to make LHW. Hey, more power to him if he can make the cut, but it just gives me all the more respect to the heavyweights who don't try to cut the equivalent of 3 weight classes so that they can get easier fights.

Just wondering, perhaps Bader's apparently enormous weight cut is responsible for his gassing every fight? Hmmm...
 
#27 · (Edited)
It is pretty funny when you see Bader has like 2 inches on Cain Velasquez and looks ALOT BIGGER in AKA photos.

Jon Jones says hes 231 and still growing.

There are a lot of guys who are allergic to fighting in their natural weight class and have made an art out of weight cutting so they can bully smaller people (I think Chael Sonnen and Yushin Okami, and to an extent, GSP, are among the guiltier ones in addition to the two above mentioned--there's also Anthony Johnson but he's not really a relevant fighter).

This is one of the reasons I've always loved Fedor (and now Cain). These are guys who walk around with a gut and will fight all comers and not so focused on an artificial advantage.
 
#25 ·
Honestly I was more impressed with Jason Brilz in his fight with Lil Nog than I was Bader. Both guys should have won but IMO Brilz put on a more convincing display than Bader. That said I find it difficult to see what Bader brings to the table. His wrestling has not looked as good although I do think its good enough that he can stop the TD but honestly then what? I mean Jones is the better striker of the two.
 
#26 ·
The Lil fight wasn't Bader's best showing, true. But he still beat a highly regarded fighter out there. Jones is the better striker of the two but he has shown that he can be reckless and leave his face out there, and if he does that and Bader - who has much more power in his strikes than Jones does - connects with a overhand or hook, it's goodnight. I'm hoping Bader's in shape for this fight. If he is, it's a even fight. If not, then he will be in for a long night. Bader showed good ground and pound on TUF, if he can go at that pace for 3 rounds then Jones will be in for a long night.
 
#28 ·
I honestly haven't been that impressed with Bader. I cannot say the same for Jones, however, as he is running through guys with ease.

Look at Matt Hamill for example. As a wrestler, Hamill is extremely good. He tossed Tito around in their fight, that is not an easy task. Tito is a really good wrestler with a lot of experience, and Hamill controlled him. You remember what happened when Jones took on Hamill? Jones ragdolled Hamill to the ground with EASE and absolutely demolished him. Jones has taken very good wrestlers and made them look like children. There is no TD for Bader in this fight, in fact, he might get thrown like a girl like the rest of the great wrestlers who have been in there with Jones.

His striking is also quite good, with a giant reach and such a wild yet accurate style that it's going to take someone with a lot better striking than Bader to beat. Cardio is also in Jones favor I believe.

Bader has very few ways to win this fight, and is going to get run over.
 
#29 ·
Everything in this fight is in Jones favour except for one aspect. That being Jones' humility.

Jones does not have the right attitude right now(judging by recent interviews etc) and he has looked sloppy in his last couple fights. He honestly believes he is as good as Silva already but hasn't even fought a top 5 fighter in the division...

Bader does have power in his hands and also has good enough wrestling to deal with Jones. We are yet to see how Bones reacts when actually challenged and Bader could do that, all it takes is landing one punch that rocks him or being able to take him down and hold him there for a round to possibly make Jones flustered.

This fight is Jones' fight to lose imo but he might just do that. I see him taking Bader lightly and then getting frustrated and sloppy when he can't walk through him like he has all his past opponents.
 
#30 ·
I'm glad somebody said it! I'm amazing at how much Bader is underestimated. I think its very possible that Jones can TKO him on the ground. But I think its more likely that if Jones wins it will be by UD. If Bader can keep Jones standing, he has a legitimate shot at getting a TKO himself. Jones has never been legimately tested ever in his career with the UFC. For him this fight is like going from first grade science class, to astrophysics.
 
#31 ·
Has Bones ever taken a solid punch to the head? I mean, on paper he beats Bader 9 times out of 10... but hes never been pressured. Bader, on the other hand, has taken some punishment and exhibited a decent chin.

Can anybody remember a single solid shot Jones has eaten?
 
#32 ·
Not that I can think of, he's used his uber lankiness to hold them at range while he set up his takedown as far as I can remember, but my memory isn't all that good anyway...:confused02:
 
#42 ·
Jones trains with Rashad Evans, Keith Jardine, James McSweeney, Shane Carwin, Nate Marquardt, Andrei Arlovski and Brendan Schaub, I'm sure his chin has been tested and he's used to taking shots. You don't spar with Rashad or Shane Carwin and not get hit. I'm sure he'll be more than used to standing toe to toe with guys and taking shots. I don't see the Jon Jones bandwagon being de-railed anytime soon, especially not by Bader.
 
#43 ·
Them elbows is what does it. Hes so wired in with them. The moment there is an opening for elbows, Greg Jackson shouts, "Elb...", and Bones has thrown 3 of them already.

Its ferocious. Not many fighters think to use their elbows quite as vigorously as Bones. Scares me.
 
#44 ·
Them elbows is what does it. Hes so wired in with them. The moment there is an opening for elbows, Greg Jackson shouts, "Elb...", and Bones has thrown 3 of them already.

Its ferocious. Not many fighters think to use their elbows quite as vigorously as Bones. Scares me.
I've seen a lot of fighters who don't do that at all! But I love the ones who are constantly analysing the moment and looking ahead for the next opening.
 
#47 ·
I also think this is Jones' fight to lose.

Bader doesn't impress me at all, he should be a heavyweight.

Whether Jones is getting ahead of himself or not, none of us really know. I think we'll see vastly improved stand up striking from him in this fight and I'd expect him to soften Bader up on the feet for a while, then finish it how he wants when Bader is tired.

Bader's build and power could pose problems for Jones' lanky frame early on, but as long as Jone's fights smart Bader shouldn't be able to touch him.

I think Jones' build is great for LHW at the moment if he's cutting easy, but he might have to go HW too as he get's older.
 
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