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Old 02-02-2007, 01:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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MMA PPV Events for $4?!?!

Hello Everyone.

Below is a brief summary of what this "idea" is all about. Within a week or two I will post more specific info, including the website, forum, sign-ups and everything you need to know about how this will work.

SO WHAT IS IT?!
It is a chance for MMA fans to watch the big MMA PPV events for CHEAP (as opposed to ~$40).
Basically for $4 you can watch a recording of the PPV event. The video will be in divx file format with a resolution of 720x528 w/ 29fps and can be downloaded thru the internet and watched on your computer OR you can burn the video to DVD and watch it on your TV (much better size and quality). The video will be posted for you to download within 24-48 hours of the live event. Please note that a 3 hour event will be around 1.7GB (high speed internet required).

HOW DOES IT WORK?! (this is the “readers digest” version. Details will come at a later date):
Prior to big MMA PPV events, I sign up 10 people who want to purchase a recording of the event for $4 each. Each person sends the payment via paypal to my account.
I purchase the live PPV event.
I capture this event to a high quality mpeg2 video format. I then convert it to a divx file to reduce its size. (you will need the free Divx player to watch it)
I upload the PPV event video to my webspace.
I email the link to this video to the 10 (or less) MMA fans that have paid $4 to my paypal account for this video.

WHAT ARE YOU CALLING THIS?! “Kalions MMA Club”

PLEASE NOTE that NO ONE (myself included) will be making any money off of this, because I am only allowing 10 people (10*$4=$40=PPV fight cost). The reason I am doing this is to enable myself and others to watch all the big events without having to go broke. I know that alot of people have friends that live near them that are also MMA fans, and so they will get together and hold fight parties where everyone chips in on the PPV event price to make it more affordable. This is great, and I wish I had that option. Unfortunately I do not have any friends that are MMA fans that live near me. So although I have been a MMA fan for a while now, I have only purchased ONE PPV MMA event (because they are so expensive). I suspect alot of MMA fans are in the same boat as me, and those are the people who I want to help out here.

If you are interested in this idea, please reply to this thread or PM me.

While "Kalions MMA Club" is not officially up and running yet, if you would like to see UFC 67(which is this Saturday night), please send me a PM.

Finally, I just want to re-iterate that this is a not-for-profit MMA fan club. I am not running a business here. All club members (people who signed up and paid) will be listed, to prove that I am not making any money. Also, I will take precautions to prevent the videos from being distributed outside of the Kalions Club members (details to come).

Well guys, let me know what you think of this idea. Again, soon I will provide you with much more info on this. All the PPV MMA events will be Pride and UFC, with the possibility of doing other organizations.

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Old 02-02-2007, 02:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i know you said your not makign money off this and thats great but either way this is completly illegal and i wont have any part of it.

Unless your telling zuffa what your doing and they ok it (which they dont, they might just steal your idea instead)

We all link to files and videos here but the differance is no one is paying for the, once you bring money into it its a major problem.

I dont mean to rain ony our parade or shoot you down, but this is very illegal, period.
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Old 02-02-2007, 02:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i know you said your not makign money off this and thats great but either way this is completly illegal and i wont have any part of it.

Unless your telling zuffa what your doing and they ok it (which they dont, they might just steal your idea instead)

We all link to files and videos here but the differance is no one is paying for the, once you bring money into it its a major problem.

I dont mean to rain ony our parade or shoot you down, but this is very illegal, period.
No offesnse taken.

But ask yourself this quesetion:
Whether you download for free or pay for an MMA video on the internet... is it illegal?

The answer is yes. Besides, if I am not making a profit, then who the hell cares? Do you think Pride or UFC are going to go after people who share videos on the internet? Are mp3z, movies, tv shows shared on the internet? do they appear on youtube, google and other sites? Is that illegal? yes.
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Old 02-02-2007, 02:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No offesnse taken.

But ask yourself this quesetion:
Whether you download for free or pay for an MMA video on the internet... is it illegal?

The answer is yes. Besides, if I am not making a profit, then who the hell cares? Do you think Pride or UFC are going to go after people who share videos on the internet? Are mp3z, movies, tv shows shared on the internet? do they appear on youtube, google and other sites? Is that illegal? yes.
no your right its not legal either way, but we also are not getting anything out of it so they dont care.

You see how quickly they pull movies off you tube? now your here announcing your idea, they can (and probably will) catch you and if they really want sue you and take anything you have made off it.

Im very surprised that your willing to roll the dice on this, like i said im my first post its a whole new ball game when money is involved, i dont care if your not making money i dont care if the money goes directly into paying to have the files hosted, its simple let me break it down.

They give you money, you let them download an illegal copy of a UFC or pride or whatever event.

You dont see the problem here?

Keep in mind you started this thread to getideas and opinions, i gave it to you, if you dont like it fine but honestly im trying to help you, i think this is a very bad thing to try to do.
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Old 02-02-2007, 02:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Your input is definately welcome. I was just explaining my thougths on why I am not worried about it.

Let just put one last thought into your head. Picture the below scenario:

Bob purchases a PPV MMA fight. He records it using Tivo (or any other DVR). He invites 10 friends over to watch the recorded event the next night (lets just say the live event time didnt work for everyone). Everyone chips in some money to pay for the event. Is Bob going to get in trouble for replaying the PPV event? Is it an illegal recording???

My scenario isn't much different than the above scenario.

I understand your concerns. If anyone is worried about this, then simply don't "join the club" so to speak.
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Old 02-02-2007, 02:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i dont get it,so ppl pay u money,u watch it live and then they wait to download it?wont it be the same as waiting for the files to be upped here?and that way they wont even pay a thing

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Old 02-02-2007, 02:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Bob purchases a PPV MMA fight. He records it using Tivo (or any other DVR). He invites 10 friends over to watch the recorded event the next night (lets just say the live event time didnt work for everyone). Everyone chips in some money to pay for the event. Is Bob going to get in trouble for replaying the PPV event? Is it an illegal recording???
its hugly differant man, bob paid for it, showing it your freinds at your house is fine, same at a bar, what they cant do is download it and burn it etc etc etc.

See?

Have you ever read that little disclaimer before every dvd you ever watch? no one really does. You can have tons of friends over watching a move you paid for and thats fine, but your not allowed to show it for money. For instance you cant buy a UFC dvd or lord of the rings for that matter and charge people $4 to come to your house and watch it on your super big tv and surroud sound. You might not get caught but technically its illegal and says so in the DVD right before you watch it.

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I understand your concerns. If anyone is worried about this, then simply don't "join the club" so to speak.
100% true which is why im not worried about me, i was trying to help you.

if you feel your willbe fine and that everything is ok then just go for it and bypass what i said, again its nothing personal towards you i just think its dangerous.

Id love to get other opinions if someone will chime in.
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Old 02-02-2007, 02:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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lol this is crazy. It is just the complete opposite response of what I expected to get (so far).

I thought it was a win/win situation for everyone. I have tried downloading full pride and ufc ppv events before, but it would always take a week atleast to be able to find and download one. With my idea, they would have it(but at a cost of $4) within 24-48hrs. All I am trying to do is reduce the cost of the PPV events for myself and others.

Yes, I get to watch it live, and they don't. but I am the one who is paying for the hardware, software & webspace to be able to do this. Not to mention the time it takes to do this. IF I were to sign up 10 ppl, it would then make the event FREE for me. But again, I have those other expenses listed above.

Anyways, thanks for your input guys. I hope not everyone is as scared or concerned as guys are.
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well it is true that some people have hard time to get the events,and i'm sure some will agree with your idea.
the thing you didnt post was your upload speed,a regular event is 1.4GB,lets say it is 1.7,how much time will it take for you to upload it to the site?
and converting could take a few hours
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well it is true that some people have hard time to get the events,and i'm sure some will agree with your idea.
the thing you didnt post was your upload speed,a regular event is 1.4GB,lets say it is 1.7,how much time will it take for you to upload it to the site?
and converting could take a few hours
I've done all the math already, the "24-48 hrs" after the live event allows plenty of time for me to get the video ready and uploaded. I'll actualy likely have some users download the file directly from my computer via FTP. I had (2) people try downloading a large video from my computer. One user was downloading at 30KB/sec and the other was downloading at 70KB/sec. Both of those speeds I would consider slow. So most people will probably choose to wait for the file to be uploaded. My upload speed to my webserver host is 70KB/sec which means it would take 6-7hrs to upload the file. Download speeds from my webserver will depend on the users internet connection speed. When I download files from it, I get atleast 100KB/sec. At a 100KB/sec it would take 4-5hrs to download a 1.7GB file. All in all, if I capture and process the video as it becomes available, a user could have the video on their computer within 24 hours of the event.

I am actualy in the process of finding another webserver host that will give me better download and upload speeds.
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