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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 11-22-2010, 10:11 PM Thread Starter
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Who would prefer Penn vs Shields?

I personally think the Penn vs Fitch fight is a little rushed, I'm not even sure what to take from the Penn/Hughes III match. Penn has some of the most devastating KO's around, butt the Edgar/GSP fights were no fluke. There should be no doubt that Penn is a beatable fighter.

I understand why UFC would set this match up and kind of wonder is DW is hoping to punish Fitch. Make his fight interesting at his expense, and jump the suddenly on fire Penn up the title picture ladder. It also seems like a good way to sell a fitch fight, cause let's face it, no one likes the guy or his style.

On the other hand we have this guy named Jake Shields who is "supposed" to be in title contention cause he was a champ in strikeforce or something. Now I'm not against strikeforce, but I can't stand this shields fellow. Fitch is nowhere near as bad as this overrated blanket and I'd much rather watch Penn KO this chump to boost his credentials at welterweight. How about you?
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I personally think the Penn vs Fitch fight is a little rushed, I'm not even sure what to take from the Penn/Hughes III match. Penn has some of the most devastating KO's around, butt the Edgar/GSP fights were no fluke. There should be no doubt that Penn is a beatable fighter.

I understand why UFC would set this match up and kind of wonder is DW is hoping to punish Fitch. Make his fight interesting at his expense, and jump the suddenly on fire Penn up the title picture ladder. It also seems like a good way to sell a fitch fight, cause let's face it, no one likes the guy or his style.

On the other hand we have this guy named Jake Shields who is "supposed" to be in title contention cause he was a champ in strikeforce or something. Now I'm not against strikeforce, but I can't stand this shields fellow. Fitch is nowhere near as bad as this overrated blanket and I'd much rather watch Penn KO this chump to boost his credentials at welterweight. How about you?
1) Shields is NOT overrated, he has beat many top fighters at 170 and deserves all his hype, his UFC debut could have been better but that changes nothing.

2) Penn is NOT a devastating KO artist, just because he knocked out an old Matt Hughes doesn't change that either.

3) The term "blanket" is so widely over used by people who are highly uneducated mma "fans" that only watch to see KO's. How about respect for a decipline? People think Machida is boring, I love his style. It is called using your stregnths to win fights. You think Rampage would try to submit Shogun? No. You think Frankie Edgar wants to out grapple BJ? No.

Which brings me back to that point, look at Frankie Edgar. He beat Penn doing what he does best, he gets him self in close and shoots for a takedown. If YOU were in a fight you would do the same, that is exactly what Shields and Fitch do, they win fights.

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Even if Penn isn't a KO artist, are you trying to say he isn't one of the most devestating fighters in ufc history? Matt Hughes, Caul Uno, Din Thomas, Sean Sherk, as well as Kenny florian and Diego sanchez's faces paint a pretty good enough picture for you?

And secondly, I don't care who you beat. I'm not all wrapped up in hype and names. I think Fitch and Shields suck big time, and have not seen anything to prove me otherwise. Especially when it comes to Shields. I've never seen a fighter so willing to lay on top of someone before. It's not that he's a wrestler, it's that he chooses not to strike when the opportunity is present. I only have one perspective to view this from and that's mine, and I'm only calling it like I see it.

And Machida is my favorite fighter, and I predicted Edgar would be the one to dethrone Penn with my people. So I view the fights, and enjoy the fighters the way you think I'm supposed to. Doesn't change my opinion of Shields.
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1) Shields is NOT overrated, he has beat many top fighters at 170 and deserves all his hype, his UFC debut could have been better but that changes nothing.

2) Penn is NOT a devastating KO artist, just because he knocked out an old Matt Hughes doesn't change that either.

3) The term "blanket" is so widely over used by people who are highly uneducated mma "fans" that only watch to see KO's. How about respect for a decipline? People think Machida is boring, I love his style. It is called using your stregnths to win fights. You think Rampage would try to submit Shogun? No. You think Frankie Edgar wants to out grapple BJ? No.

Which brings me back to that point, look at Frankie Edgar. He beat Penn doing what he does best, he gets him self in close and shoots for a takedown. If YOU were in a fight you would do the same, that is exactly what Shields and Fitch do, they win fights.

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Shields is obviously not overated. His record is one of the best in the WW/MW divisions. I think again Penn has some great hands and good power, but KO artist is definitely bit over the top. What I disagree with is you having a cheap dig at "uneducated" fans. When I call fitch a blanket, I'm not saying he has no ability and just lies on people. I'm saying he's using his brilliant MMA wrestling and taking as few risks as possible to get the W. Thus often resulting in what many see as a boring fight.

For alot of UFC fans, what they have so far seen of shields is very very little. He showed his aweful standup against Kampman and that his best assets are on the floor, but even on the floor he didn't shine.
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When I see a wrestler in GSP's division who's touted as a title contender getting knee'd in the face by Martin kampmann and having a multitude of their takesdowns stuffed...I tend to think they may just be a little overrated.

I find Fitch to be far more brilliant a fighter than Shields. Shields may have one of the greatest ww/mw records around but I just don't see him being much more than a fighter in the middle of the pack in UFC. And that's not that impressive to me. When he consistently headlines cards with exciting fights, I'll give him the credit some think he deserves now.
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Penn is fighting Fitch because he has good enough TDD to not get LnPed for an entire three rounds and has the striking ability to punish Fitch and put on a good show.

Shields is fighting GSP/Kos because, believe it or not, he IS an elite fighter and is not overrated. Plus, he is a fresh opponent for GSP and it makes more sense to see a new guy give it a try rather than to see someone who has already had his ass whooped for 5 rounds by GSP give it another try.
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Penn is fighting Fitch because he has good enough TDD to not get LnPed for an entire three rounds and has the striking ability to punish Fitch and put on a good show.

Shields is fighting GSP/Kos because, believe it or not, he IS an elite fighter and is not overrated. Plus, he is a fresh opponent for GSP and it makes more sense to see a new guy give it a try rather than to see someone who has already had his ass whooped for 5 rounds by GSP give it another try.
We'll just have to wait and see how things unfold.

I find the thought of Penn's TDD to be enough to nullify Fitch quite the assumption. I'm not so sure about that, it's as much a possibility as Fitch getting the takedown in my opinion.

As for Shields, my least favorite fighter is boring ass GSP, but even I think he finishes that fight early and decisively. I could always be wrong but that's how I see it at the moment.

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We'll just have to wait and see how things unfold.

I find the thought of Penn's TDD to be enough to nullify Fitch quite the assumption. I'm not so sure about that, it's as much a possibility as Fitch getting the takedown in my opinion.

As for Shields, my least favorite fighter is boring ass GSP, but even I think he finishes that fight early and decisively. I could always be wrong but that's how I see it at the moment.
If you think GSP is boring then your not a fan of Mixed Martial Arts, your a fan of Boxing, if you dont aprichiate good wrestling or BJJ then sorry bud, wrong sport.

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If you think GSP is boring then your not a fan of Mixed Martial Arts, your a fan of Boxing, if you dont aprichiate good wrestling or BJJ then sorry bud, wrong sport.
Gone with the Wind is a great movie, yet boring as hell. Italy had the best football team in 2006, yet they were one of the most boring teams of the tournament. These two adjectives go very well with each other.




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Gone with the Wind is a great movie, yet boring as hell. Italy had the best football team in 2006, yet they were one of the most boring teams of the tournament. These two adjectives go very well with each other.
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