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**No_Mercy** · 11-24-2010, 10:58 AM

Yah that was one of the earlier fights that I remember from GSP. You should see his MMA debut in Montreal TKO I believe. He went ballz out! It's a combination of three things.

1.) Psychological
2.) Greg Jackson fighters all have the same game plan.
3.) Too much on the line to just bang and lose everything he's worked for his entire career and that goes for any champion. IE: Anderson Silva not fighting on the ground against Thales or Demian.

**oldfan** · 11-24-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ape City

Same thing that happens to everyone that smashes can like Miller. They move up in competition and eventually fight the best in the world.

Same stupid thought process that leads people to think Brock is suddenly a changed fighter.

GSP was always awesome. He was fighting shitty opponents, so he looked incredibly dominant. Now he is fighting the best WWs in the world and he is still dominating, he just can't look as flashy doing it because if he does the Serra situation will happen again.

^^ I pretty much agree with this except for the Miller = can part. That simply is not true. Cans don't sub sakuraba, not if he was drunk passed out and handcuffed.

This fight was the first time I saw miller and I remember thinking a star is born. I've never seen anyone take that level of asswhooping with that big a grin.

Compare his fight with Sheilds to Hendo's and then consider that he just recently decided to apply himself + his personality = one of my favorites.

**box** · 11-24-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape City

he just can't look as flashy doing it because if he does the Serra situation will happen again.

I don't think it's who he's fighting, because Mayhem is light years ahead of Sera. It's just that GSP knows now that if he stands up, he could get KO'd. It doesn't matter who he's fighting, he knows he's not getting KO'd while laying on someone, so therefor we have the new cautious GSP who doesn't want to get KO'd and lose the belt again. Understandable, but sad for the fans.

**Ape City** · 11-24-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oldfan

^^ I pretty much agree with this except for the Miller = can part. That simply is not true. Cans don't sub sakuraba, not if he was drunk passed out and handcuffed.

This fight was the first time I saw miller and I remember thinking a star is born. I've never seen anyone take that level of asswhooping with that big a grin.

Compare his fight with Sheilds to Hendo's and then consider that he just recently decided to apply himself + his personality = one of my favorites.

yeah that's true. I shouldn't call him a can, even though at some points in his career he has acted / trained like one.

TheJame · 11-24-2010, 03:15 PM

Ah, GSP vs. Mayhem. It's definitely right up there in my favourite list of fights. GSP dishing out all kinds of fancy tricks and Mayhem taking them all with a big goofy grin on his face. Loved it.

Mayhem is also one of several fighters to accuse GSP of being a little more than slippery in that fight.

**limba** · 11-24-2010, 05:45 PM

GSP - Miller 2 would look just like Shields-Miller, but without Miller almost subbing GSP and with GSP dominating the fight on the feet and on the ground.
He has supperior stand-up and wrestling.
BJJ - pretty even, with a slight edge to Miller, but GSP's ground control is just AMAZING!!! He would control the fight on the ground also.

But...Miller is under-rated imo.

**VolcomX311** · 11-24-2010, 05:57 PM

I remember watching that fight and wondering how the hell is this Miller guy surviving GSP's aggressions. I just thought Miller was some wierdo at the time, I didn't expect him to be able to get rag dolled and keep on coming.

**Mirage445** · 11-24-2010, 09:50 PM

That was actually my first Miller fight that I saw...was a fan ever since.

I love how lots of people write off Miller, yet he didn't even get as beat down as Fitch did when he faced GSP. (not to mention that Miller really shouldn't have been cutting to 170 in the first place).

**Squirrelfighter** · 11-25-2010, 02:04 AM

Honestly one of the funnest fights to watch ever.

I think its a combination of the Serra effect (fear of it happening again), as well as so much being on the line. Its not bad when a fighter fights safely, especially considering how dominant GSP is. He works to finish, al a Serra 2 and Hardy for example, he just doesn't over commit, which is good.

Miller is one of my all time favorite fighters because of his mentality, displayed proudly in that fight. The "I'm invincible no matter how many times you **** me up!" mentality has always intrigued me. He's very underrated as a figher, his JJ is top notch, and his striking is always getting better IMO.

I actually was talking to a buddy of mine about the trashtalk that would occur building to a Miller vs Sonnen. It would be among the funniest stuff I could ever think of hearing!