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Old 11-25-2010, 03:44 AM   #21 (permalink)
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He's not fighting Mayhem Miller anymore.........
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Old 11-25-2010, 02:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Mayhem's a tough cat, who's very hard to finish, but he really can't threaten GSP anywhere. He's just not strong enough to submit him, and he's no knockout artist.

As champion, GSP fights men who are more dangerous, more regularly. He can't afford to be as lose as he was against Miller.

That said, I still believe the theory that GSP doesn't go out to finish has little basis in fact. Just look at his fights since the Serra KO.

Koscheck - This was a badly needed win, and he came in with a great strategy: beat Kos at his own game. Koscheck's usually a tough guy to finish. He's only really been flash KO'd by Thiago. Fickett's knee only rocked him and he still needed a submission to do the job. And it's not like GSP didn't go for a finish, anyway. Kos was saved from that kimura by the bell in the second round. Plus, this fight had the superman punch-leg kick combo, which is awesome.

Hughes - The greatest welterweight of all time at that point, and GSP made him look like he was nothing. Even more impressive than BJ's knockout of Hughes, if you ask me, as no one could say he just got caught. Nope, he got owned.

Serra - No, he didn't dance around and throw a bunch of kicks at him. He took him down and caved in his ribcage with knees. He's one of only two men to stop Serra, and the only one at 170 pounds.

Ficth - This fight was domination. That, coupled with the fact Fitch is notoriously tough — he was knocked out once, in 2002! — makes any criticism of GSP's performance here absolutely absurd.

Penn - GSP made BJ look like he just didn't belong. And he stopped him. Neither of those things is easy to do.

Alves — Thiago was on the best run of his career here. He was downright scary. GSP was injured badly and still got the W, in impressive fashion, no less. Just a great performance and one he doesn't get nearly enough credit for.

Hardy - Probably the fight GSP takes the most shit over, mostly because too many people listen to Hardy, who was a pretty sore loser after this fight. He had just as much time to prepare as GSP did, he failed to deal with his grappling game, and he was beaten soundly. Perhaps he likes it better when people knock him out. Grappling is part of MMA, dude. And besides, FightMetric has GSP landing 164 strikes on the ground. That ain't lay and pray.

So what happened to GSP? Other than becoming a better and better fighter and fighting better and better opponents, not much.

One more thing — when people say GSP changed his style after the Serra loss, show them this.



It's from 2002.
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Old 11-25-2010, 03:03 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I just finished watching the GSP-Miller fight on UFC 52. Wow, what a fight. GSP dominated Miller, yet Miller kept getting up; giving a little; and taking a lot.

GSP spent a lot of time applying some true GNP. GSP tried 2-3 solid submissions. His standup was much better than Millers.

GSP dominated. I think all fight fans would say it was a great fight.

What the heck happened to GSP? (Besides losing once in 40 years???)

Simply "Matt Sera" does not seem like a sufficient answer. GSP is a true star, but these days he does not seem to make highlight reels, except, again, when hoisting his belt.
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It's exactly that.

You made a god of GSP... much like BJ Penn fans do with their fighter. "What happens to normal people can't possible happen to MY GSP!"

Yeah it did, get over it.

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Miller is entirely difficult to finish. But not everyone can be Frank Trigg, now can they? YOU KNOW!

But serioulsy I've always picked on fans who said "he's a game opponent." Being hard to finish won't get get you food stamps as a fighter... look at Jardine.
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Mayhem's a tough cat, who's very hard to finish, but he really can't threaten GSP anywhere. He's just not strong enough to submit him, and he's no knockout artist.

As champion, GSP fights men who are more dangerous, more regularly. He can't afford to be as lose as he was against Miller.

That said, I still believe the theory that GSP doesn't go out to finish has little basis in fact. Just look at his fights since the Serra KO.

Koscheck - This was a badly needed win, and he came in with a great strategy: beat Kos at his own game. Koscheck's usually a tough guy to finish. He's only really been flash KO'd by Thiago. Fickett's knee only rocked him and he still needed a submission to do the job. And it's not like GSP didn't go for a finish, anyway. Kos was saved from that kimura by the bell in the second round. Plus, this fight had the superman punch-leg kick combo, which is awesome.

Hughes - The greatest welterweight of all time at that point, and GSP made him look like he was nothing. Even more impressive than BJ's knockout of Hughes, if you ask me, as no one could say he just got caught. Nope, he got owned.

Serra - No, he didn't dance around and throw a bunch of kicks at him. He took him down and caved in his ribcage with knees. He's one of only two men to stop Serra, and the only one at 170 pounds.

Ficth - This fight was domination. That, coupled with the fact Fitch is notoriously tough — he was knocked out once, in 2002! — makes any criticism of GSP's performance here absolutely absurd.

Penn - GSP made BJ look like he just didn't belong. And he stopped him. Neither of those things is easy to do.

Alves — Thiago was on the best run of his career here. He was downright scary. GSP was injured badly and still got the W, in impressive fashion, no less. Just a great performance and one he doesn't get nearly enough credit for.

Hardy - Probably the fight GSP takes the most shit over, mostly because too many people listen to Hardy, who was a pretty sore loser after this fight. He had just as much time to prepare as GSP did, he failed to deal with his grappling game, and he was beaten soundly. Perhaps he likes it better when people knock him out. Grappling is part of MMA, dude. And besides, FightMetric has GSP landing 164 strikes on the ground. That ain't lay and pray.

So what happened to GSP? Other than becoming a better and better fighter and fighting better and better opponents, not much.

One more thing — when people say GSP changed his style after the Serra loss, show them this.



It's from 2002.
I like how you casually left out BJ's destruction of Hughes in their first fight out there.
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Old 11-25-2010, 05:22 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I like how you casually left out BJ's destruction of Hughes in their first fight out there.
An odd thing to pick out, but fine. It did cross my mind to mention it, but I was referring to fights since GSP's loss to Serra, and I thought the more recent bout was more relevant. to the timeline.

Don't try to change my post into a "GSP or BJ - Who's better?" thing. That's not what this thread is about.
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An odd thing to pick out, but fine. It did cross my mind to mention it, but I was referring to fights since GSP's loss to Serra, and I thought the more recent bout was more relevant. to the timeline.

Don't try to change my post into a "GSP or BJ - Who's better?" thing. That's not what this thread is about.
Thats fair enough then, i just thought it was odd how you picked out bj's KO win but left his other one out, but it does relate to the time line thing.

I agree with all of your post btw.
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I actually think it'd be a competitive match-up today, although Mayhem has gotten much bigger than he was.
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Thats fair enough then, i just thought it was odd how you picked out bj's KO win but left his other one out, but it does relate to the time line thing.

I agree with all of your post btw.
In hindsight, I was a little testy with my response. Sorry about that.

But yeah, Miller's solid and fun to watch, too, but GSP's a really bad matchup for him.
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In hindsight, I was a little testy with my response. Sorry about that.

But yeah, Miller's solid and fun to watch, too, but GSP's a really bad matchup for him.
True, GSP is a more aggressive version of Shields. Mayhem doesnt do well against guys with good ground games. If Jacare and Shields could control Mayhem for an entire fight, GSP could def do it again.
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