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Old 11-25-2010, 12:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The cards sucks plain and simple. Maybe they will turn out to be good fights, but maybe the local Amateur fights will too. Struve wins where does that put him? 11 th best UFC HW? Cool.
mcCorkle has a lot more potential than struve, thats why that fight is interesting

alves vs howard i dont need to explain do i?

stevenson is still a tough fighter and his recent loss was to soti, a guy who is on a tear right now, this fight will show us if stevenson is still the tough fighter that we know

oliveira is the LW with biggest potential right now after dunham probably, he should wreck miller, the guy is a future champ, i guess watching JBJ is like watching amatures also

every fight is important to their division, just because you might not follow the divisions very well doesnt mean you can sh*t on the fighters

every time there is a weak card i dont defend it, i said the bisping card was weak and it truly was, but to call this card weak and not important is pure ignorance to be honest
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oliveira is the LW with biggest potential right now after dunham probably, he should wreck miller, the guy is a future champ, i guess watching JBJ is like watching amatures also
I would not write Miller off so easily he is nobody's push over, he is an ex LW champion at Cage Fury and his only professional losses have been to Frankie Edgar and Grey Maynard, the guy is a tough test for anyone, which makes this a great fight.
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mcCorkle has a lot more potential than struve, thats why that fight is interesting
I like McCorkle a lot, think he's a quality dude and am hoping he takes out Struve, but I don't really see how he has more potential. McCorkle's 37, Struve's 22 and already has more fights on his record. I think it's pretty safe to say it's Struve that has more potential. That doesn't stop it from being an intriguing match-up though, and it's definitely one I'm looking forward to.
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I would not write Miller off so easily he is nobody's push over, he is an ex LW champion at Cage Fury and his only professional losses have been to Frankie Edgar and Grey Maynard, the guy is a tough test for anyone, which makes this a great fight.
thats true miller is a very tough fighter and is a great test for oliveira, i dont actually expect oliveira to walk through him, though he has the skills to do so...his striking is so impressive and his bjj is sick also but miller is always a tough guy to beat

i expect this to be the FOTN easily...but to say this fight isnt important is crazy

EDIT: lol mcCorkle is much older so yes technically struve has more potential since hs has a lot mor time to improve but what i meant is mcCorkle has more potential to be a contender at the moment than struve, struve has the potential to be awesome but because of time, mcCorkle is already impressive, the way he dominated mark hunt was great, slick sub...at the moment i see him beating struve and really getting up there in the ranks, but in the future, yeah struve should pass him no doubt since hes still a kid

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Howard vs Alves will be FOTN. That has barnburner written all over. 2 seriously explosive Muay Thai strikers going at it. I can't wait, it's going to be a complete war!
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mcCorkle has a lot more potential than struve, thats why that fight is interesting

alves vs howard i dont need to explain do i?

stevenson is still a tough fighter and his recent loss was to soti, a guy who is on a tear right now, this fight will show us if stevenson is still the tough fighter that we know

oliveira is the LW with biggest potential right now after dunham probably, he should wreck miller, the guy is a future champ, i guess watching JBJ is like watching amatures also

every fight is important to their division, just because you might not follow the divisions very well doesnt mean you can sh*t on the fighters

every time there is a weak card i dont defend it, i said the bisping card was weak and it truly was, but to call this card weak and not important is pure ignorance to be honest
I get excited for fights on the prelims, doesn't justify that they should be co-main events.

Why is Olverira a future champ? Because his best win is vs. a guy no longer even in the UFC. At least Bones has wrecked guys that are still in the UFC. Jones hasn't even main or Co-Main'd an actual PPV yet. Bones' last 3 fights were all on free TV, his last PPV (100) he wasn't even on the main card. So I have no clue what you are rambling about with Jon Jones.

Yea I don't follow the divisions...sure. With the UFC's roster there is no reason to put on cards like this. Struve and Olverira are perfect fighters to showcase at main fights on free cards. Yea all these fights have implication in the division for like a year from now. You could say that with any fight. None of the fights have anything to do with immediate impact towards the title.

Of course you said teh Bisping card was bad....how could anyone not? At least it wasn't a PPV. No ones ragging on fights. I'm ragging on the UFC and how watered down their PPV have becomes when in reality their roster has only grown. Makes little sense. But is all about money and watering it down while people still buy the cards anyway. So basically with the cult like following they have they can fling crap and it will still sell. They have you and people like you by the balls.

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I get excited for fights on the prelims, doesn't justify that they should be co-main events.

Why is Olverira a future champ? Because his best win is vs. a guy no longer even in the UFC. At least Bones has wrecked guys that are still in the UFC. Jones hasn't even main or Co-Main'd an actual PPV yet. Bones' last 3 fights were all on free TV, his last PPV (100) he wasn't even on the main card. So I have no clue what you are rambling about with Jon Jones.

Yea I don't follow the divisions...sure. With the UFC's roster there is no reason to put on cards like this. Struve and Olverira are perfect fighters to showcase at main fights on free cards. Yea all these fights have implication in the division for like a year from now. You could say that with any fight. None of the fights have anything to do with immediate impact towards the title.

Of course you said teh Bisping card was bad....how could anyone not? At least it wasn't a PPV. No ones ragging on fights. I'm ragging on the UFC and how watered down their PPV have becomes when in reality their roster has only grown. Makes little sense. But is all about money and watering it down while people still buy the cards anyway. So basically with the cult like following they have they can fling crap and it will still sell. They have you and people like you by the balls.
well maybe i see the ppvs like this because i dont pay for them...

i mentioned JBJ because he isnt a big name in some ways but he is always interesting to watch since you know he will be champ at some point

oliveira is also amazing so watching him is always going to be interesting, if you just look at his skills he is very impressive, i guess overeem isnt anything also since he hasnt beaten any1 woth mentioning

the HW fight isnt the best thing out there im not gonna lie but i do want to see mcCorkle

this isnt the best card ever and for the last card of the year its not really impressive but its not a ''weak'' card, bisping card was weak, this card actually has important fights IMO

its not the best thing but i think alves, GSP and oliveira makes this card worth it, for me at least

every1 prefers some fighters over others, and if you look at the list of fighters avaiable its not like they could make a much better event
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well maybe i see the ppvs like this because i dont pay for them...

i mentioned JBJ because he isnt a big name in some ways but he is always interesting to watch since you know he will be champ at some point

oliveira is also amazing so watching him is always going to be interesting, if you just look at his skills he is very impressive, i guess overeem isnt anything also since he hasnt beaten any1 woth mentioning

the HW fight isnt the best thing out there im not gonna lie but i do want to see mcCorkle

this isnt the best card ever and for the last card of the year its not really impressive but its not a ''weak'' card, bisping card was weak, this card actually has important fights IMO

its not the best thing but i think alves, GSP and oliveira makes this card worth it, for me at least

every1 prefers some fighters over others, and if you look at the list of fighters avaiable its not like they could make a much better event
Well ya its going to make a huge difference if you don't pay for them. When things are free I don't care who is on the card. When you shell out 55 bucks, you expect to get what you pay for, not a glorified Fight Night card with a GSP whooping on the top.

Guys like McCorkle I get excited to talk about with my casual fan friends. I usually rattle off reasons why the spike prelims are interesting. Guys like McCorkle I can do that for. But how can I tell my friend to get excited for McCorkle as the co-main event? "Oh look out for this guy, he is a big dude, prolly 5 fights away from a title shot"

Miller, Alves, Oliverira, Struve, McCorkle are all more than 2 fights away from any sort of title shot. So I don't see how they are that "important". If you want to look at it that way then every fight is important. None of these fights have major title implications any time soon.
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Well ya its going to make a huge difference if you don't pay for them. When things are free I don't care who is on the card. When you shell out 55 bucks, you expect to get what you pay for, not a glorified Fight Night card with a GSP whooping on the top.

Guys like McCorkle I get excited to talk about with my casual fan friends. I usually rattle off reasons why the spike prelims are interesting. Guys like McCorkle I can do that for. But how can I tell my friend to get excited for McCorkle as the co-main event? "Oh look out for this guy, he is a big dude, prolly 5 fights away from a title shot"

Miller, Alves, Oliverira, Struve, McCorkle are all more than 2 fights away from any sort of title shot. So I don't see how they are that "important". If you want to look at it that way then every fight is important. None of these fights have major title implications any time soon.
its important in the sense that we will see if these guys have what it takes to get to the title

not every fight is important in this sense, sexyama and leben...both will never get the belt, that was a pointless fight

hamill vs ortiz...pointless fight

lil nog vs ortiz...also pointless

serra vs lytle, pointless

many fights in the ufc are pointless and those fights dont deserve to be a ppv

now when a up and comer with real potential to be champ is on the card then i would pay to watch it, i want to watch these guys evolve, maybe its just me, but i want to see the road they take to the belt, if i had to pay for this ppv i would

here in brazil we are getting them for free now, but before we had to pay and i paid for a lot of similar cards when it was a card full of great up and comers

its not every day a fight will be important, most fights you know the guy wont get close to the belt, there arent that many prospects in every division
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I like McCorkle a lot, think he's a quality dude and am hoping he takes out Struve, but I don't really see how he has more potential. McCorkle's 37, Struve's 22 and already has more fights on his record. I think it's pretty safe to say it's Struve that has more potential. That doesn't stop it from being an intriguing match-up though, and it's definitely one I'm looking forward to.
Yeah, I dont get how subbing a can in Mark Hunt equals big potential. Im not saying McCorkle is garbage or anything, I just dont think beating Mark Hunt (who also got subbed by Mousasi, who he outweighs by a hundred lbs.) is any indication of how good a fighter really is.
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