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Gsp would wreck Silva 6 8.11%
Gsp would probably win 31 41.89%
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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 11-30-2010, 10:11 PM Thread Starter
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The pound-for-pound debate has been central to the mixed martial arts world since the beginning. The premise of it is rather simple, if every fighter weighed exactly the same weight, who would win? In the past arguments have raged between a plethora of fighters but with the recent losses of Lyoto Machida, B.J. Penn, and Fedor Emelianenko only two fighters remain at the top of the heap: Anderson Silva and Georges St. Pierre.

Both Silva and St. Pierre have outstanding resumes. Silva is an astounding 27-4 with a 13-fight win streak, while GSP is 20-2, winning seven straight. Superstars are littered amongst both of their records. The Spider has beaten greats such as Forrest Griffin, Rich Franklin, Dan Henderson, and Carlos Newton while Rush has conquered Jason Miller, Matt Hughes, BJ Penn (x2), Jon Fitch and Matt Serra.

The two would seem pretty equally matched if you were to just glance at their past records and accomplishments. But if you were to have actually watched them fight there should be no doubt that Georges St. Pierre is the pound for pound best fighter in the world. If they entered fight night at the same weight, the Canadian would lay a total beat down on the Brazilian.

Yeah that might sound pretty bold but look at the facts. Silva has always had trouble with wrestlers: he was taken down and controlled by Dan Henderson in the first round of their fight, Chael Sonnen had him beat in their title fight until Silva caught him in a triangle armbar, and he was even mounted after being taken down by Travis Lutter. If Sonnen could implement that gameplan for five rounds, it would seem as if GSP could easily do the same.

Georges St. Pierre came into mixed marital arts with an extensive karate background and little wrestling, but somehow the Canadian has managed to become one of, if not the best, wrestlers in all of MMA. His shot is ridiculously fast, which when coupled with his relentlessness, often leads to a takedown. While most wrestlers stop driving once the initial takedown is stopped, GSP continues moving forward while trying to complete it.

While his wrestling will obviously be his biggest asset in a dream match-up against Silva, people seem to forget that St. Pierre is one of the most well rounded mixed martial artists of all time. He has black belts in both Gaidojutsu and Brazilian jiu jitsu as well as a third degree black belt in kyokushin karate.

Prior to joining Greg Jackson's camp, St. Pierre had some of the most exciting and well rounded stand-up in the UFC. He put together punches and kicks incredibly well and TKO'ed Jay Hieron, Sean Sherk, and Matt Hughes. He would often throw spinning back fists, head kicks, and any other combination of exotic and dangerous moves.

Is Silva the better striker? Oh by far. But with St. Pierre, Silva will constantly have to worry about the takedown, making GSP's striking that much more effective. We saw the Brazilian get rocked by Chael Sonnen of all people while he was worried about being dragged down to the mat. So to say that GSP would get tooled standing is downright absurd.

Unlike Chael "jiu jitsu is gay" Sonnen, once the fight does hit the mat, St. Pierre will be able to fend for himself. Silva is a legitimate Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt but between St. Pierre's own skills and Greg Jackson's conservative gameplans I seriously doubt GSP would put himself into any harm.

If and when these two do fight, I expect Rush to finish what Sonnen started, with continuous takedowns and brutal ground n' pound. The moments the fight is spent standing will be tense as Silva obviously has tremendous power and ability but GSP is more than capable of weathering the storm.

So that's how I feel the fight would go if the two superstars would meet, which in essence should decide who the pound for pound number one fighter is. There should be no debate on who is the clear cut number one if GSP is capable of beating Silva.

"But, but, but Georges St. Pierre lost to Matt Serra! He can't be ranked number one!"

This is honestly one of the worst arguments I have ever heard for why GSP should not be ranked above Anderson Silva in the pound for pound rankings. His loss was a fluke, which he avenged savagely only a year later. If people want to discuss losses why don't they mention when Ryu Chonan or Daiju Takase beat Mr. Silva?

"Well at least Anderson Silva finishes fights!"

People also seem to forget that Silva has put on two of the worst performances in the Octagon when he beat Demian Maia and Thales Leites by decision. Yes Silva destroyed Forrest Griffin and Rich Franklin, but GSP made B.J. Penn and Matt Hughes look fairly amateur in both of their second bouts.

At the end of the day St. Pierre is better than Silva at every facet of MMA outside of striking. His losses were a long time ago and it's not like he tries to decision the fighters he beats. He doesn't take risks but that does not mean isn't hurting his opponents.

So go ahead and ask Thiago Alves or Jon Fitch who they think the best pound for pound fighter in the world is. I bet it isn't Anderson Silva.
While most of its true I dont agree or disagree because anythings possible with Silva. This makes me want to see this fight even more!
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According to the graph the fans have spoken. GSP dominates!
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To say A. Silva would get tooled standing presupposes that GSP would strike. While the possibility of a GSP/A. Silva standup war is super awesome, I feel like GSP will once again implement the careful (wrestling) gameplan the article mentions.

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If GSP goes into this fight knowing he can win, he will win. I do think Greg Jackson would pull some strings to get Chael into the training camp.

A good question is will fans still want GSP vs Silva if Belfort, Okami, or Chael beat Silva?


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GSP would be a big favorite here. He would set up his amazing takedowns with some precision striking and then he would easily be able to hold Anderson down from there. He would work BJJ moves in while GnPing his way to a victory. Standing up i dont think Silva's advantage is as big as the article makes it seem; GSP's striking is underrated just because he doesnt need to use it much anymore.
I didnt want to say GSP will "crush" Silva because Silva is very dangerous and can finish anybody for sure, but i would definitely have my money on GSP for that one.
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Boxing might not ever get Pacquio V Mayweather, I hope MMA gets it's P4P mega-fight.

I really hope both get through Koscheck/Shields and Belfort/Okami.

If Silva drops to 170 or GSP to 185, it would be the biggest fight in UFC history for one of them to hold two belts. They could throw $25 on top of the regular price and I still think this match-up would be the most purchased PPV MMA event ever.

A fight between completely trumps Sonnen/Bisping or Penn/Fitch.
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post #7 of 31 (permalink) Old 12-01-2010, 12:41 AM
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This article is completely ridiculous and biased. Sure everyone is biased, we all have our favorites but this is silly. Is the author suggesting that in some alternate universe where GSP is 2 inches taller and equally strong as Anderson he would win or is he suggesting that if and when they do fight GSP is the clear winner?

What I find the most laughable is that somehow Chael/Henderson is proof that the superior wrestler wins against Anderson. Dumb. Hello, both of them got STOPPED. Not decisioned. They both cried uncle, could’t take anymore. Do you all really believe GSP has more heart than Hendo or Sonnen. Maybe. Maybe not. But those guys are no wussy cats.

And the second most ridiculous part is “ask Fitch and Alves”. Come on. Well let’s see, who would you rather say you beat the best in the world or the second best. How may of you really believe Gsp will be able to match or beat a Andersons win streak? I sure don’t. I love me some George but he aint gonna do it.
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Biased thread is biased...
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Originally Posted by khoveraki View Post
If GSP goes into this fight knowing he can win, he will win. I do think Greg Jackson would pull some strings to get Chael into the training camp.
I don't think it'd take much to get Chael to assist in the ass-whooping of Anderson Silva ... having said that, I still see Silva winning =(

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The author is obviously biased, but he makes some good points.

The most important point is simply that Chael made Silva look mortal, so even if you don't think GSP should win or will dominate, you have to admit he has a reasonable chance. Many pundits wouldn't have given GSP any chance at all against Silva before (including me, and I'm a huge GSP fan)

Make this fight happen, I don't care what else happens, just do this before it is too late. I never got to see Fedor come to the UFC, I refuse to miss out on this as well, I will not allow it. I demand Dana make this fight happen!
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