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Old 12-01-2010, 06:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Greg Jackson Fires Back at Dana White Over Recent Criticism

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Lately, there has been a lot of "finger pointing" from Dana towards Greg Jackson and his fighters, for what he describes as a boring, conservative approach to fights.
Greg Jackson fires back though. And he has statistics on his side, to prove Dana wrong.
On Monday night Jackson sent MMA Fighting an email listing all the bonus awards and finishes tallied by his fighters in Zuffa events in 2010. The list includes the names of 20 Jackson camp fighters who competed in the UFC or WEC in 2010, but perhaps the most telling figure is the distribution of UFC's bonuses after each event, Jackson explained.
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"Here's a quick stat for you. So there's been 22 [UFC events] this year? We had 12 bonuses so far this year," Jackson said in a phone interview. "So one out of every two, one of my fighters got Submission of the Night, Knockout of the Night, or Fight of the Night."

"We sat down and did the math after we heard that," Jackson said. "He wants to say there's a consistency? Okay, let's look at statistical consistencies. Let's look at Jon Jones, who has finished every fight with me in the first round, except for that Matt Hamill one, which would have been a first-round stoppage anyway if he hadn't thrown that illegal elbow.

"Let's look at Carlos Condit, who had Fight of the Night and Knockout of the Night. Even people on the undercard who people don't really know yet. Kyle Noke, two finishes, both in the second round. Almost everybody on our team finishes consistently. There's no fact. Everybody's just making stuff up."
Much of the recent criticism from White stemmed from what he regarded as bad advice in the corner of Nate Marquardt during his recent number one contender fight with Yushin Okami at UFC 122. White said Marquardt was clearly losing the fight, yet his corner – led by Jackson and Trevor Wittman of Denver's Grudge Training Center – didn't communicate the urgency of the situation to him.

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"...[F]or Nate Marquardt to leave the Octagon that night feeling like he won, your corner did you wrong," White said. "Your corner did you wrong if you think you won that fight."
But according to Jackson, White only thinks he knows what Marquardt was being told throughout that fight.

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"He didn't hear what I was telling Nate Marquardt. Me and Trevor were screaming. Listen to the audio. At one point in the third round, I yelled at Nate very clearly, 'Nate, you have a minute and a half to knock this guy out; you must get a knockout.' As clear as day, and I asked Nate if he remembered me yelling that. He said, 'Yeah, I heard you say that.' I was screaming at him. I thought we had lost the first two rounds.

"It didn't bug me until Dana said it. Fans are fans, but Dana said that and, you know, I've worked really hard in his organization. If you look at my stats, they're insane. Imagine you give your life to something and then your boss comes up and says, 'Man, you suck.' Well, wait a minute, just this year alone, half your bonuses have gone to my guys. So what are you talking about?"
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link: http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/11/3...ent-criticism/

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Old 12-01-2010, 06:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Lately, there has been a lot of "finger pointing" from Dana towards Greg Jackson and his fighters, for what he describes as a boring, conservative approach to fights.
Greg Jackson fires back though. And he has statistics on his side, to prove Dana wrong.
On Monday night Jackson sent MMA Fighting an email listing all the bonus awards and finishes tallied by his fighters in Zuffa events in 2010. The list includes the names of 20 Jackson camp fighters who competed in the UFC or WEC in 2010, but perhaps the most telling figure is the distribution of UFC's bonuses after each event, Jackson explained.


Much of the recent criticism from White stemmed from what he regarded as bad advice in the corner of Nate Marquardt during his recent number one contender fight with Yushin Okami at UFC 122. White said Marquardt was clearly losing the fight, yet his corner – led by Jackson and Trevor Wittman of Denver's Grudge Training Center – didn't communicate the urgency of the situation to him.



But according to Jackson, White only thinks he knows what Marquardt was being told throughout that fight.



link: http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/11/3...ent-criticism/

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the only part i disagree with is his math at the end, 12 bonuses in 22 events (which means 3 potential bonuses per event, so 66 bonuses possibly) means his guys really only got 1/5, assuming all the events had all 3 awarded. I seem to recall the last mir event had no KO of the night bonus, but still, even if there were a few others to thin the total, we're talking 25% tops, not half.

otherwise he's right. dana just likes to be a reactive bitch and act like he knows the fight game better than the everyone. jackson produces exciting top notch fighters.
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I wonder if team Jackson fighters will be getting less bonuses now...
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the only part i disagree with is his math at the end, 12 bonuses in 22 events (which means 3 potential bonuses per event, so 66 bonuses possibly) means his guys really only got 1/5, assuming all the events had all 3 awarded. I seem to recall the last mir event had no KO of the night bonus, but still, even if there were a few others to thin the total, we're talking 25% tops, not half.

otherwise he's right. dana just likes to be a reactive bitch and act like he knows the fight game better than the everyone. jackson produces exciting top notch fighters.

That isnt how this problem should be looked at anyway. It should be how many of his fighters fight in an event and how many of them took home a bonus.

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if his fighters have had 30 fights this year how many of those fights were awarded bonuses. Thats if you want to go a bonus route... i personally think thats an unfair way of looking at it seeing as how you can have a finish or a good fight and not receive a bonus.
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well to me it always seems like the higher the fighter is in the rankings the safer he fights

that would explain why most of the bonuses come from the guys coming up the ranks, they just keep doing what they are doing, but once they get to that main event level the jackson camp does seem to creat safe fight gameplans IMO

i think its just a matter of time until JBJ fights safe, probably after a big loss
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the only part i disagree with is his math at the end, 12 bonuses in 22 events (which means 3 potential bonuses per event, so 66 bonuses possibly) means his guys really only got 1/5, assuming all the events had all 3 awarded. I seem to recall the last mir event had no KO of the night bonus, but still, even if there were a few others to thin the total, we're talking 25% tops, not half.

otherwise he's right. dana just likes to be a reactive bitch and act like he knows the fight game better than the everyone. jackson produces exciting top notch fighters.
Good point. Also if there are a few of Greg Jacksons fighters on that card (which is likely) then only one out of say 3 would get the award.

Dana's comment was BS really, Marquardt has half of his UFC wins by KO, TKO or sub. Rashad is also just under 50% of his wins in the UFC coming by KO or TKO.

I think Dana is awesome, but he needs to think before he speaks someimes.
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thing about Dana is he will always brag about it when he is right about things, but when he is wrong he will just ignore it and wont say anything. I think Jacksons camp and Greg Jackson himself need a big apology from Dana for this.
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Also if there are a few of Greg Jacksons fighters on that card (which is likely) then only one out of say 3 would get the award.
Agreed! You can't win every award if you have more than one fighter competing on the same card! Plus, the competition is tough.
Also, most of Jackson's fighters compete for belts or contenders spots, where the pressure is bigger.

Annyway i think Jackson camp is one of the best and it fighters are great an most, very exciting.
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Now... let's just forget everything except for main events because that's what pisses Dana off.

First he gets the Rashad/Silva fight as a main event at UFC 108, then he gets Rashad/Rampage at UFC 114, then at UFC 122 he gets Okami/Marquardt. I bet I could find some more if I cared to look them up. Then add some more frustration because of UFC 97, UFC 112 and UFC 119.
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