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post #21 of 42 (permalink) Old 12-09-2010, 07:13 PM
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I think Statements like "Brock will never be champion" are a bit on the extreme side.

1) Brock has only 7 MMA fights and has all the resources in the world to train with the best people in the world. I think its not a matter of if he improves but how much he improves.

2) Matchup makes fights. Say what you will about his standup but he is definitely a elite fighter when it comes to the ground game.
Cain beat Lesnar because lesnar couldn't take him down and keep him down. But who is to say that if say JDS beats cain, that JDS can do the same. Remember MMA math doesn't work. Just because Lesnar can't beat cain doesn't mean Lesnar can't beat someone that can beat Cain. (I'm not assuming jds will beat cain but that is just an example)

3. In the HW division, anyone can knock anyone out if they connect We saw it before with lesnar hitting Randy on the side of the head. Although I would never favor lesnar over a guy like cain, if they fought 100 times, there is def no way cain would win 100 times. (maybe 99 times )

all that said, odds are def against brock to regain his belt, but I would never count him out.

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Chuck Liddell had the same questions about Kurt Angle when he was "angling" for an MMA career: how will he react when he gets hit? Well, with Brock, now we know.

The question is, will he take pains to spar so that he can develop a tolerance to the pain? If he is willing to do so, he has a chance to become champion again. If not...

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I personally think brocks done … well, maybe not done but I don’t think he’ll ever own the championship again, and fi he does, cain will just take it staright off him, or carwin….i feel he could beat jds, but neither of these two, he’s to old to learn much more in the striking department imo

the gap in skills is to big, while he gets better, so to will cain, who has a much better training camp to develop his skills further
I really have to say I don't understand these sort of comments. He's done?

I agree with him probably not getting the championship again, but I wouldn't say never. He's accomplished a lot, and he's a relatively young fighter in regards to MMA.

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I think Statements like "Brock will never be champion" are a bit on the extreme side.

1) Brock has only 7 MMA fights and has all the resources in the world to train with the best people in the world. I think its not a matter of if he improves but how much he improves.

2) Matchup makes fights. Say what you will about his standup but he is definitely a elite fighter when it comes to the ground game.
Cain beat Lesnar because lesnar couldn't take him down and keep him down. But who is to say that if say JDS beats cain, that JDS can do the same. Remember MMA math doesn't work. Just because Lesnar can't beat cain doesn't mean Lesnar can't beat someone that can beat Cain. (I'm not assuming jds will beat cain but that is just an example)

3. In the HW division, anyone can knock anyone out if they connect We saw it before with lesnar hitting Randy on the side of the head. Although I would never favor lesnar over a guy like cain, if they fought 100 times, there is def no way cain would win 100 times. (maybe 99 times )

all that said, odds are def against brock to regain his belt, but I would never count him out.
It's nice to see a newb to the forum that isn't a complete idiot. I agree with most of what you're saying.

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I think Statements like "Brock will never be champion" are a bit on the extreme side.

1) Brock has only 7 MMA fights and has all the resources in the world to train with the best people in the world. I think its not a matter of if he improves but how much he improves.

2) Matchup makes fights. Say what you will about his standup but he is definitely a elite fighter when it comes to the ground game.
Cain beat Lesnar because lesnar couldn't take him down and keep him down. But who is to say that if say JDS beats cain, that JDS can do the same. Remember MMA math doesn't work. Just because Lesnar can't beat cain doesn't mean Lesnar can't beat someone that can beat Cain. (I'm not assuming jds will beat cain but that is just an example)

3. In the HW division, anyone can knock anyone out if they connect We saw it before with lesnar hitting Randy on the side of the head. Although I would never favor lesnar over a guy like cain, if they fought 100 times, there is def no way cain would win 100 times. (maybe 99 times )

all that said, odds are def against brock to regain his belt, but I would never count him out.
Yeah, who knows maybe Cain will try to stand with jds and get knocked out (not likely). Or maybe Cain will get hit by a bus (hopefully not), then Brock could definitely be champ again lol.

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It's nice to see a newb to the forum that isn't a complete idiot. I agree with most of what you're saying.
You sound more of a noob then he does. Assumptions are ridiculous only time will tell if Lesnar will be able to regain the championship or not. If he doesn't retire I see no way that will he not be able to regain the championship belt. Be it Cain or JDS, Lesnar has the potential but the skill as of now. Nobody can tell the future and comparing Lesnar with Sapp is uber foolish. Lesnar is not just another big man. He is bigger, stronger and moves like a light weight(reminds me of classic boxing fights of Mike Tyson), s a div 1 wrestler and had a victory of Randy Couture amongst many of his vicories.
So he is not a striker, is Chael Sonnen a striker? And look what he did to Anderson Silva... enough said.
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Yeah, he got submited by Silva with busted ribs LOL
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You sound more of a noob then he does. Assumptions are ridiculous only time will tell if Lesnar will be able to regain the championship or not. If he doesn't retire I see no way that will he not be able to regain the championship belt. Be it Cain or JDS, Lesnar has the potential but the skill as of now. Nobody can tell the future and comparing Lesnar with Sapp is uber foolish. Lesnar is not just another big man. He is bigger, stronger and moves like a light weight(reminds me of classic boxing fights of Mike Tyson), s a div 1 wrestler and had a victory of Randy Couture amongst many of his vicories.
So he is not a striker, is Chael Sonnen a striker? And look what he did to Anderson Silva... enough said.
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Yeah, he got submited by Silva with busted ribs LOL
Everybody knows the result, but perhaps I was mentioning about the entire 22 minutes of domination before that fluke victory of Silva.
If I were to apply your logic then Werdum is a better fighter than Fedor because he submitted him?
Come up with something better to back up your argument, your logic doesn't makes sense.

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Wow! You sure took a lot from that post. Logic? Argument? I think you need to chill and have a drink little man...
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Everybody knows the result, but perhaps I was mentioning about the entire 22 minutes of domination before that fluke victory of Silva.
If I were to apply your logic then Werdum is a better fighter than Fedor because he submitted him?
Come up with something better to back up your argument, your logic doesn't makes sense.
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