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post #21 of 66 (permalink) Old 12-17-2010, 09:13 PM
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No no my friend^^ Logic

like I said open your mind a little more and you will see it too

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when did the definition of logic change?

there are weight classes for a reason my friend, GSP would never keep any LHW down...lol...GSP hype is getting exagerrated to the moon (wich he could probably explode with one superman punch right?)
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No no my friend^^ Logic
no its not.

Alves stuffed a couple of TD's and got up from almost everyone(although at the end of the rounds) alves is the biggest fighter gsp has faced. koscheck just stuffed most of GSP's TD's and got up very quickly from the few successful ones.


He is not superman, he can't control everyone and that is a FACT. GSP's biggest tool is his wrestling which forces fighters to be defensive. which would not work against a lot of LHW's and HW's. he could get a few down but they would not be on there back long enough for gsp to work any type of offense and would quickly turn the tables on GSP.

And lol at him being becoming one of the best strikers in MMA because he out-struck koscheck.

jones(and most LHW's) would walk through him with ease

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I don't think GSP could take a healthy Silva. It's a shame though because by the time GSP and Silva fight(if they even do) Silva will be past his prime. Thing about GSP is he still getting better, whereas Silva is remaining constant. I think when GSP hits his prime he will be better than Silva at his prime, but right now if they fought I got Silva winning it.
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Like some others have said, I don't think GSP would be able to keep LHW's and HW's down. Maybe he could take SOME down, but no way he'd be able to KEEP them down. I'm a big fan of GSP too. If he ever did fight Silva, I'd definitely be rooting for my fellow Canadian. However, I think Silva is just too big for him. He would almost certainly be able to take Silva down, but Silva's long limbs would pose a problem. That being said, I do think GSP has a good chance against most Middleweights. Only ones I could see giving him trouble are Sonnen, Okami, and maybe Marquardt.
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He is right!

GSP would probably win the belt at MW, be top 5 at LHW and win against TOP HW's like Struve for example with ease

no denying in that!

your insane!

he wouldn't even be top 5 at middlewieght, good style match-up against silva though. Okami, Sonnen, and Marquart, to name a few, would beat the shit out of GSP rather eaisly.

also, struve isn't a top HW, thats funny though if you were being sarcatic.

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Yeah ok, you guys are overestimating the value of size. I've been training for years and high level 125lbers have their way with me when they come around.

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Remember though, Silva had injured ribs, which makes it hard to stuff takedowns. I don't doubt GSP could take Silva down and keep him there, but I hate how people keep referencing the Sonnen fight as an example of Silva's takedown defence, despite the fact that Silva's bad ribs during the fight has been well publicized.

Silva had busted ribs because Chael busted them. I'm sick of this excuse, Silva was CLEARED BY THE ATHLETIC COMMISSION TO FIGHT, HE DID NOT HAVE BROKEN OR INJURED RIBS, PERIOD.

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That is more of an excuse then anything schiops.

Silva just does not have TDD.. especially when he fights a World Class Wrestler.

Injured rips or not.. It's a horrible matchup for him, both are!
Agreed but it's not just about the takedowns. When Silva surprised Sonnen in the 4th and took him down, Silva only stayed ontop for about eight seconds before Chael easily rolled him and took side control. Silva's wrestling is bad period, not just his TDD.

Black House's resident high-level wrestler is Munoz and Lyoto, and although I've seen a ton of videos of JDS with Munoz and the Nogs rolling with Munoz, I've never been able to find a SINGLE video or article about Silva wrestling with Munoz or Lyoto.

I think he's arrogant enough to not want to be outclassed even in a training gym so he refuses to work his wrestling hard. Although he clearly thinks he has time for Capoeira.

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no its not.

Alves stuffed a couple of TD's and got up from almost everyone(although at the end of the rounds) alves is the biggest fighter gsp has faced. koscheck just stuffed most of GSP's TD's and got up very quickly from the few successful ones.

And lol at him being becoming one of the best strikers in MMA because he out-struck koscheck.

jones(and most LHW's) would walk through him with ease
Ugh you're so ill-informed in so many of your posts but whatev, let's take a few jabs at this one.

Alves stuffed ONE take-down out of 11 or 12, and GSP had a pulled groin.

Comparing Koscheck's wrestling to Silva's is ridiculous. Koscheck says he walks around at about 190+ which isn't far off from Silva, and he's got some of the best credentials in MMA. You seriously think a few inches of reach and height is what makes Silva harder to take down?

GSP has a 76" reach (compared to Silva's 77", small difference) and trains with Freddy Roach, Phil Nurse, and Skarbowsky. I guess you haven't been watching MMA long because GSP was a striker years before he was a wrestler.

He lands his unorthodox strikes with the highest percentage of anyone documented in MMA, utilizes his incredible reach just as well as Silva, outstruck the monster that is Alves, outboxed one of the best boxers in the sport in Penn, and IMO has a faster jab than Silva.


Of course Silva is a better striker (although you can't argue he's a more effective striker, especially recently), but his lack of wrestling compared to GSP makes it way lopsided. GSP's striking is maybe a notch or two below Silva, but Silva's wrestling is a hundred notches below GSP's.



Everyone talks about the size difference in MMA like it's a huge deal, but you have guys like Rumble who walks around at 215lbs and fights at WW. Do you guys think GSP would struggled with Rumble? Even if Rumble cut no weight for the fight would you give him even a shred of a chance?

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Ugh you're so ill-informed in so many of your posts but whatev, let's take a few jabs at this one.

Alves stuffed ONE take-down out of 11 or 12, and GSP had a pulled groin.

Comparing Koscheck's wrestling to Silva's is ridiculous. Koscheck says he walks around at about 190+ which isn't far off from Silva, and he's got some of the best credentials in MMA. You seriously think a few inches of reach and height is what makes Silva harder to take down?

GSP has a 76" reach (compared to Silva's 77", small difference) and trains with Freddy Roach, Phil Nurse, and Skarbowsky. I guess you haven't been watching MMA long because GSP was a striker years before he was a wrestler.

He lands his unorthodox strikes with the highest percentage of anyone documented in MMA, utilizes his incredible reach just as well as Silva, outstruck the monster that is Alves, outboxed one of the best boxers in the sport in Penn, and IMO has a faster jab than Silva.


Of course Silva is a better striker (although you can't argue he's a more effective striker, especially recently), but his lack of wrestling compared to GSP makes it way lopsided. GSP's striking is maybe a notch or two below Silva, but Silva's wrestling is a hundred notches below GSP's.



Everyone talks about the size difference in MMA like it's a huge deal, but you have guys like Rumble who walks around at 215lbs and fights at WW. Do you guys think GSP would struggled with Rumble? Even if Rumble cut no weight for the fight would you give him even a shred of a chance?
1.i am not comparing koschecks wrestling to silvas nor am i even talking about silva YOU IMBECILE

2.GSP pulled his groin against alves at the end of the third round and GSP started off in his career using his grappling.

3.GSP out-struck alves and BJ because they where on the defensive because of the TD's, they barely even let there hands go and when alves did he got taken down and i never said that alves stuffed most of GSP's TDs.

4. you completely have no idea what i was talking about and lack reading comprehension

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1.i am not comparing koschecks wrestling to silvas nor am i even talking about silva YOU IMBECILE

2.GSP pulled his groin against alves at the end of the third round and GSP started off in his career using his grappling.

3.GSP out-struck alves and BJ because they where on the defensive because of the TD's, they barely even let there hands go and when alves did he got taken down and i never said that alves stuffed most of GSP's TDs.

4. you completely have no idea what i was talking about and lack reading comprehension
You said GSP had trouble taking down Koscheck, and used that as an example of how he'd have trouble taking down Silva.

GSP pulled his ground and still got every takedown except for one. You said Alves stuffed multiple take-downs, he didn't, and we saw against Howard and Koscheck that Alves is a good wrestler.

GSP started off as a Karate fighter which is why Koscheck was admittedly surprised in the first fight, it was one of the first time GSP used his wrestling the majority of the fight. If you think Kos is afraid of GSP's wrestling and it affect his wrestling how much would GSP's wrestling affect Silva's? A lot, we saw that against Chael when Chael outstruck Silva every exchange but two.


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You said GSP had trouble taking down Koscheck, and used that as an example of how he'd have trouble taking down Silva.
NO I DIDN'T YOU STUPID idiot i was talking about GSP going up against LHW's and HW's

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DERP i said he stuffed a couple DERRRRRRR

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GSP started off as a Karate fighter which is why Koscheck was admittedly surprised in the first fight, it was one of the first time GSP used his wrestling the majority of the fight. If you think Kos is afraid of GSP's wrestling and it affect his wrestling how much would GSP's wrestling affect Silva's? A lot, we saw that against Chael when Chael outstruck Silva every exchange but two.
watch his early fights he primarily uses his wrestling to win and i know GSP used to strike a lot thats why he was one of my favourite fighters until serra took his balls.

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You must be quite a giant if I am a little boy. I can see why you value weight classes now. To defend the fact that you are a ginormous dinosaur.
Thats right I'M A MOTHERFOOKING T-REX!!!

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