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Old 12-18-2010, 05:54 AM   #11 (permalink)
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if the ufc's popularity continues to increase at the rate is has been, maybe we'll see someone w/ top level boxing skills as well as silva's other advantages that u mentioned earlier. it might happen if dana loosens up his pockets.
but right now, maybe belfort or penn, probably belfort, in all honesty, is the closest thing there is to a well rounded, yet dominant in every aspect, fighting machine. yes, belfort isn't fully proven yet but we'll see in a month.
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I'm sure once people realise how much of a weapon boxing is, it will become a lot larger part of MMA. No doubt about it. Those who can master the sweet science will do extremelly well against a lot of the stand-up fighters out there.

They just need take down defence and submission defence.

Will still be a long time until top level boxers come over though with proper take down and ground defence, there just isn't the money (paydays for fighters) in MMA due to the monopolistic nature of the UFC.
maybe that 'axis of evil' (3 organizations combined) strikeforce peeps were talking about is a good idea, cuz i don't see dana white's pockets ever loosening.
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:03 AM   #13 (permalink)
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but right now, maybe belfort or penn, probably belfort, in all honesty, is the closest thing there is to a well rounded, yet dominant in every aspect, fighting machine. yes, belfort isn't fully proven yet but we'll see in a month.
Why did you quote yourself and respond to yourself.

Thats like the equivalent of actually speaking to yourself.
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:09 AM   #14 (permalink)
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but right now, maybe belfort or penn, probably belfort, in all honesty, is the closest thing there is to a well rounded, yet dominant in every aspect, fighting machine. yes, belfort isn't fully proven yet but we'll see in a month.
Belfort is more of a puncher than a boxer. He has technique, but little actual boxing brains or knowledge. He could really do with some Roach time, he would learn a lot.

Penn has great basic boxing fundamentals as far as punching technique, but he lacks combination punching, footwork and angles. This is where Edgar exposed him. I really wish Penn used more of his world class Jiu Jitsu, because his Jits is as good as it gets. 3 years and wins a world championship in Brazil, WHOA!

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Why did you quote yourself and respond to yourself.

Thats like the equivalent of actually speaking to yourself.
because i can do about anything i want online. nothing really matters on here. it was easier than editing my previous post.
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:12 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Pure boxing defence, footwork and stance is next to useless in MMA. This has been established time and time and time and time again. If boxing was such an awesome tool, James Toney would be HW champion. But he isnt. Instead he got humiliated.

Stupid thread.
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Belfort is more of a puncher than a boxer. He has technique, but little actual boxing brains or knowledge. He could really do with some Roach time, he would learn a lot.

Penn has great basic boxing fundamentals as far as punching technique, but he lacks combination punching, footwork and angles. This is where Edgar exposed him. I really wish Penn used more of his world class Jiu Jitsu, because his Jits is as good as it gets. 3 years and wins a world championship in Brazil, WHOA!
well, if u equate footwork w/ boxing brains, then yeah, belfort hasn't shown great footwork. on the other hand, he tends to end things so quick, who would ever know what kind of footwork he has? i've seen penn's training video's where he displayed great combos but i don't remember him transfering that to the cage.
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You have to bare in mind that putting together combinations with your hands in MMA is very risky. If you look to fire off a 4-6 punch combo there is a great chance of you getting clinched or take down.

There arnt many fighters i can think of who put together strings of combinations on a consistent basis.
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You have to bare in mind that putting together combinations with your hands in MMA is very risky. If you look to fire off a 4-6 punch combo there is a great chance of you getting clinched or take down.

There arnt many fighters i can think of who put together strings of combinations on a consistent basis.
Agreed. Some of Alves punch & kick combos against Howard were pretty tasty. But even then we are talking a couple of punches and a single kick.
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Pure boxing defence, footwork and stance is next to useless in MMA. This has been established time and time and time and time again. If boxing was such an awesome tool, James Toney would be HW champion. But he isnt. Instead he got humiliated.

Stupid thread.
stupid reply. i don't agree with the 'boxing stance won't work in mma' idea that mma fans like to throw around. for one thing, all it takes is a hard well timed hook to put a shooting fool on his ass. boxing footwork is useless in mma? totally lame idea. james toney isn't hw champ because he's an old out of shape has been who's merely after some extra cash. it seems like i remember ray mercer doing pretty well during his short stint in mma.
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