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post #11 of 34 (permalink) Old 12-19-2010, 11:25 AM
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I'm pretty sure I remember he told the Nog bros that he would finish by sub. I Call bs though lol.
Yer lol, I doubt he planned on getting rocked like 3 times and getting pwned for 4 1/2 rounds just so he could throw up a last minute triangle as a thanks to the nogs.
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AS already had a hurt rib so i think he really didnt want to try and defend the TDs because it would have only made it worse

but even without hurt ribs i think the difference is AS knew he wouldnt be able to keep the fight standing, he knew that no matter how much he trained he wouldnt stuff chaels TDs, maybe some but chael would take him down

thats why he wanted to submit him, here in brazil he said how he was really focusing on the ground game and that he wanted to prove how good the Nogs bjj is, its not ''BS'' he said it in many interviews here, and the fact that he walked out with the gi proved it, not only that but the commentators here in brazil were saying the exact same thing while he was walking out, they said he was wearing the gi because he wanted to finish the fight by sub to ''prove how good the nogs bjj is''

though i think its more of a ''hell im not gonna stop his shots anyway, might as well sub him'' kind of thing...

i think thats the reason, he knew he could get away from maia, maias TDs are based on bjj and AS knows how to defend that...now an olympic wrestler he knows he cant stop so why try? go for his weak point, submissions
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It is because Sonnen isn't afraid to get his ass kicked to get a takedown and his shot is better. Maia only tried shooting from the outside without exchanging.
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It's already been well stated, but there's an enormous difference in the quality of wrestling between Maia and Sonnen. I realize that's confusing because Maia got Chael to the mat in their fight with some authority, but it's just a reality of their games: Sonnen is a much, much better wrestler.

The Olympic level wrestling isn't even as big a deal as people think it is. You don't have to be Olympic level to have the kind of shot that Chael had. It's a function of using the shot basically his entire life. Someone who has been wrestling since before adolescence, like Sonnen, has that shot as a thing that's automatic.

Anderson's "takedown defense" is a product of his striking and his ability to move backwards. It's not the product of a devastating sprawl, the way that (for example) Chuck Liddell's was. It's possible to take Anderson down, as we've seen, and guys who are D-I All-Americans can probably do it. The problems are simple. How do you not get knocked out before you have the opportunity to make that shot? What do you do once you get there?



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Sonnen is an all around better wrestler than Maia. Maia does have good enough takedowns to take Anderson down. Maia's downfall was that he never fully commited to anything in that fight.

I guarantee that if Maia commited to a takedown, he would have been able to get it against Silva.


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Because if you even watched the fight you would know Sonnen was so scared of Maia and his BJJ he used his wrestling to keep on the feet but then took him down and subbed him immediately , Sonnen had a good gameplan just some magic swayed the fight.

The first 10 seconds of the fight made it obvious he tripped Maia with a leg kick and usually would be in his guard he let him up and gestured with his hand for him to get up , it was quite obvious unless you're a deluded fanboy why he didnt take Maia down.

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This is a silly question. Its like me asking why was Anderson Silva able to knock Rich Franklin out but Wanderlei Silva was not.

No matter what your teacher says. There are definitely stupid questions, and this is one.

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People keep acting like Maia completely outclassed Chael. I watched that fight recently and Chael seemed like his normal dominating self except he got careless like he has been known to do and go caught in that trip that Maia did. Then no one expected it and he put Chael in a triangle. This stuff happens especially if you are fighting the best BJJ guy in the world. I think Maia is the worst matchup for Sonnen BUT i do think in a rematch Sonnen takes it. He makes leaps each fight and in a rematch he would probably just out strike Maia. Or i would hope atleast -_-

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Out of curiosity, whats Sonnens TDD like? Pondering this thread, Ive realized that while he has the best takedowns in the business, I dont know how good he is at defending them. Has he had to defend shots in any of his fights? If so, which?
I tried to check that out. It must be pretty good. Maia tried and failed 4 times before he got that beautiful whatever the hell it was.

Marquart was 0/1

Okami never tried. not one. I guess TD defense by intimidation is as good as it gets.

I know he beat Jason Lambert who is a pretty under rated wrestler but, I couldn't find anything on it. Anyone know if Lambert got a take down?

I think the majority of Chaels opponents have the mind set of "don't take me down".

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People keep acting like Maia completely outclassed Chael. I watched that fight recently and Chael seemed like his normal dominating self except he got careless like he has been known to do and go caught in that trip that Maia did. Then no one expected it and he put Chael in a triangle. This stuff happens especially if you are fighting the best BJJ guy in the world. I think Maia is the worst matchup for Sonnen BUT i do think in a rematch Sonnen takes it. He makes leaps each fight and in a rematch he would probably just out strike Maia. Or i would hope atleast -_-
There's a difference between dominating for a minute (Maia vs. Sonnen was a little over 150 seconds) and dominating for more than twenty minutes. Sonnen looked fine against Maia up until he got taken down and submitted, but everyone looks fine against Maia until they tap.

So, Sonnen's fight with Anderson is impressive on the basis that it didn't simply play into Anderson's gameplan. The Maia fight played exactly into Maia's gameplan.



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There's a difference between dominating for a minute (Maia vs. Sonnen was a little over 150 seconds) and dominating for more than twenty minutes. Sonnen looked fine against Maia up until he got taken down and submitted, but everyone looks fine against Maia until they tap.

So, Sonnen's fight with Anderson is impressive on the basis that it didn't simply play into Anderson's gameplan. The Maia fight played exactly into Maia's gameplan.
Huh.. weird. I dont recall ever saying that dominating for a minute and dominating for 25min is the same thing. Weird...

Il leave it at that.

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