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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 12-19-2010, 05:33 AM Thread Starter
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Why was Chael able to take Anderson down but Maia was not?

To me that chael fight seem like silva was not even trying to defend those takedowns. However if the Maia fight he was able to dance his out of being taken down. Do you think the fact he wanted to submit sonnen played a factor in sonnen talking him down at will. Or would sonnen have taken him down over and over again even if he was fighting it.

Remember Maia did a great job with sonnen took him down at will even used a double under hooked to set up the finish. Pretty much in that fight Maia looked to get the fight down to the ground which he did easily.
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To me that chael fight seem like silva was not even trying to defend those takedowns. However if the Maia fight he was able to dance his out of being taken down. Do you think the fact he wanted to submit sonnen played a factor in sonnen talking him down at will. Or would sonnen have taken him down over and over again even if he was fighting it.

Remember Maia did a great job with sonnen took him down at will even used a double under hooked to set up the finish. Pretty much in that fight Maia looked to get the fight down to the ground which he did easily.
If we're comparing the shot itself then Sonnen's is galaxies ahead of Maia's. Despite the fact that Maia threw Sonnen down. Anderson is way more prone to a shot than a throw. If you try to clinch with him for a throw, you get your head caved in with multiple knees.
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Because Maia isn't an olympic level wrestler. Sonnen will take anyone down, he's a monster.

Also, Sonnen was giving Silva problems on the feet which allowed him to set up shots, he was generally fearless and just overwhelmed Anderson. But the key difference is the wrestling, Maia just doesn't have so was out of his depth.

When Maia took Chael down it was a throw/trip, but he was locked up with Sonnen. I don't recall Maia being tied up with Silva and that was the difference. As Chael promised he shoved his head in Anderson's chest and charged him onto his back which is wrestling 101, Maia doesn't have that ability. What he was able to do to Chael was tied to his high level jits and grappling, throws are sometimes used to gain position as far as I'm aware in BJJ.

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Because Maia isn't an olympic level wrestler. Sonnen will take anyone down, he's a monster.

Also, Sonnen was giving Silva problems on the feet which allowed him to set up shots, he was generally fearless and just overwhelmed Anderson. But the key difference is the wrestling, Maia just doesn't have so was out of his depth.

When Maia took Chael down it was a throw/trip, but he was locked up with Sonnen. I don't recall Maia being tied up with Silva and that was the difference. As Chael promised he shoved his head in Anderson's chest and charged him onto his back which is wrestling 101, Maia doesn't have that ability. What he was able to do to Chael was tied to his high level jits and grappling, throws are sometimes used to gain position as far as I'm aware in BJJ.
In BJJ competitions you get 2 points for a takedown, be it a double leg or a hip throw, so if thats what you mean by "to gain position" you are correct."

As for the fighter A took down fighter B but couldn't take down fighter C but fighter B could stuff.

Different fighters match up differently. MMA math generally results in fail.
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In BJJ competitions you get 2 points for a takedown, be it a double leg or a hip throw, so if thats what you mean by "to gain position" you are correct."

As for the fighter A took down fighter B but couldn't take down fighter C but fighter B could stuff.

Different fighters match up differently. MMA math generally results in fail.
Was the second part in response to my post too? I wasn't using MMA math, in fact I explained why just because Maia took Chael down didn't mean he would be able to take Silva down. Different skills used which worked against different fighters, like you said.
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Out of curiosity, whats Sonnens TDD like? Pondering this thread, Ive realized that while he has the best takedowns in the business, I dont know how good he is at defending them. Has he had to defend shots in any of his fights? If so, which?
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Because Maia isn't an olympic level wrestler.
^^ This

Because Maia sucks at Wrestling! In order for him to take his opponent down he needs to get the clinch. He doesn't know how to shoot for the TD like a wrestler.

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in layman's terms:

Maia = upper body control + trips. normally, he shoots for the double or single leg, but does not complete it that way. He locks you up, and takes the best ground position he is able to get.

Chael = power double leg almost always resulting in a takedown.

Other than "styles make fights", the level of athletisism probably played a huge role in Maia not being able to take Anderson down. It is much harder to clinch up with Anderson and work him to the ground, than it is to double leg him, it would seem.

We saw how Chael did against Maia's takedowns, dropped on his head and submitted him less than 3 minutes in.

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To me that chael fight seem like silva was not even trying to defend those takedowns. However if the Maia fight he was able to dance his out of being taken down. Do you think the fact he wanted to submit sonnen played a factor in sonnen talking him down at will. Or would sonnen have taken him down over and over again even if he was fighting it.

Remember Maia did a great job with sonnen took him down at will even used a double under hooked to set up the finish. Pretty much in that fight Maia looked to get the fight down to the ground which he did easily.
I'm pretty sure I remember he told the Nog bros that he would finish by sub. I Call bs though lol.
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Was the second part in response to my post too? I wasn't using MMA math, in fact I explained why just because Maia took Chael down didn't mean he would be able to take Silva down. Different skills used which worked against different fighters, like you said.
No the second part wasn't meant for you. Apologies for the confusion.
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