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post #21 of 56 (permalink) Old 02-04-2007, 11:45 PM
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In the end any GOOD bjj guy SHOULD finish once he gets mount. I am sure he will be the first one to say that he had no buisness in winning that match.
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post #22 of 56 (permalink) Old 02-05-2007, 12:14 AM
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In the end any GOOD bjj guy SHOULD finish once he gets mount.
thank you! i've been saying in every single lutter vs silva thread that lutters bjj looked weak as hell. he is world class bjj, but last night he did not show it. silva did an amazing job nuetralizing everything lutter did.

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post #23 of 56 (permalink) Old 02-05-2007, 12:24 AM
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Silva was on two bad knees too! And still managed to beat Lutter. I like the guy even more. He has a heart of a warrior that's for sure.
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post #24 of 56 (permalink) Old 02-05-2007, 03:07 AM
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I believe the rule in the UFC is that elbows are legal as long as they come across the head, not directly down onto it. Going by that the strikes were perfectly legal. Good job, Herb.


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post #25 of 56 (permalink) Old 02-05-2007, 10:20 AM Thread Starter
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First of all, to those of you who think I posted this to defend Travis Lutter - I could care less about him. If Herb Dean had called those elbows as a foul, there would have been a time out, Lutter would have been givin time to recover, then Silva probably would have crossed the ring and knocked him out. I had always assumed Lutter the underdog, and when he failed to make weight, I knew he didn't even have the glimmer of a chance I had already given him. I posted this thread not to defend Lutter, but to argue a rule.

Because, quite frankly, I don't care much about Anderson Silva, either. He's not my favourite fighter, and isn't going to sell a PPV to me. But I do have a vested interest in making sure UFC rules are enforced, because the rules make for better fights.

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the rule is open to interpretation. when i look at the rule I see it as saying you cannot strike North-South with the point of the elbow. interpreted in this way Silva's elbows were legal as they were going parallel to the mat.

It's really a rule that has to be clarified and/or rewritten by the NSAC
I agree. If you take the rule as meaning that elbows thrown with the majority of the force behind the elbow being delivered parallel to the attacker's body (which would be "down" relative to the position of the fighters), then the rule would make Silva's elbows illegal. If the rule is specifically referring to elbows thrown down to the floor, regardless of the relative position of the fighters, then Silva's strikes would be legal.

To me, I would interpret the rule as being relative to the fighter's position, and thus the strikes were illegal, irregardless of the elbows yawing slightly as they were being delivered. But baz00ca is correct - this rule needs to be clairified.

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post #26 of 56 (permalink) Old 02-05-2007, 10:24 AM
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I agree. It should be judged illegal by the fighters position, not by gravity. They were downward elbows, just because they were paralell to the ring doesn't mean they weren't downward.
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You are right Lutter would not have whined about it. He would have left that for people like you. Get over it! What did you want, that they should have stood them both up and let Lutter recover. If the ref did not make the call, let it go. Next time why don't we just introduce instant replay and let Lutter throw a red challenge flag, so the refs can review the reel.

It's a fight with rules and a ref. Let them do their part and you can do yours. Fighters fight, referees ref, b!tches b!tch.
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I don't think it was sketchy. After the fight he said he wanted to prove his BJJ was up to snuff, which was a mountain to climb against somebody with Lutter's resume. But he did it and to see people try to take it away from him because of take downs and a weak mount... that sucks.

As for the elbows, Lutter was never going to get out of that choke anyways.
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The one thing that I took away from the match was...perhaps GSP would be hte champ @ 185 as well.

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The one thing that I took away from the match was...perhaps GSP would be hte champ @ 185 as well.

see i think if matt hughes were to move up, he'd have the best chance to beat silva. he'd definitely have to improve his striking so he would have enough time to get a good double leg shot...

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