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post #41 of 50 (permalink) Old 01-11-2011, 11:55 PM
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I think the card will be excellent, but I can also understand how the casual fan will feel a little jipped by the rumoured card so far.

Dana talked this card up like it would be the second coming for MMA and for now it looks more like an above average card, with great perspective fights but not quite the huge name brand line up like UFC 92 or UFC 100.

I think Dana originally wanted Cain vs JDS on this card, and that along with the GSP/Shields, sprinkled with a Brock fight would have been money. Of coure that was not to be.

Even a second title fight with Aldo does not have much "brand name" factor. Aldo is a beast, but in a weight class that the average UFC fan has never seen.

Having 2 title fights is great but to really put the card over the moon like Dana sold it for Toronto he will really need to appease the casual fan by throwing some recognizable names to the card. Rampage/Thiago Silva and perhaps a Wanderlei Silva would really make this card hype worthy for the masses, not just the hardcore fans.
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Thats your opinion , to me BJ was the most exciting , Cain also is a beast along with Rua , Anderson has had ALOT OF STINKERS people dont forget so that probably contributed to his downfall.

Im sorry but there are numerous videos of Anderson saying he doesnt want GSP so its not fair to point at GSP just because you swing from Silva's nutsack.
His two largest buyrates were for the Griffin fight(the fight after Leites) and the Sonnen fight (the fight after Maia). His worst buyrates were when he was wrecking people left and right. The Vitor/Andy fight will most likely do north of 500k buys also.
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Which obviously means alot of money for the UFC. So in other words when he actually gets challenged they buy PPVs. I guess it makes cause the people want to watch good fights!

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I'm not huge on it, it isn't terrible but it isn't great either.

Still gonna watch it, and like all "sub-par" looking cards probably gonna love it.
this and I get to see jake shields get owned violently.



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Im serious when I say that I don't think the WEC merge has helped them out at all, nor do I think the its helping the lower weight divisions, FW and BW where better off in there own specialist promotion now they are just filling the prelims and taking up valuable space at the low end of the main cards taking focus away from the bigger fights I personally and I think a lot of other people would like to see.

Although there are those that may disagree, but I personally and I am sure there are many others like me that feel let down when a FW or BM fight is on the main cards knowing full well we would of been getting those fights anyway through WEC and instead its taking away from what the UFC could be delivering. I feel the same in fact when I see any WEC fighter on the main card.

With all the focus on the lower weight division the UFC is starting to look in terms of quality of fighters and matches like a second rate promotion, if you take away all the fancy presentation and hype the UFC creates through brand then that what you are left with
The fans are in no way better off with the BW and FW divisions in the WEC. Spike is in about 25,000,000 more homes than Versus, which gives them exposure to a much larger audience.

WEC 53, with both Pettis-Henderson and Cruz-Jorgenson for title fights averaged 615k viewers. Aldo's title fights on VS. never broke an average audience of 500k. Faber as the FW champ was the only thing that ever attracted a considerably larger audience to VS.

UFC Fight Night 22: Marquardt vs. Palhares scored an average of 1.2M viewers, double a WEC card with two belts on the line, but that was still the worst figure in the series' history. UFC 122: Marquardt v. Okami, which was significantly tape delayed, did 2.2M average viewers.

I can't believe there's even discussion about this being good for the fans. It dramatically increases the profile of WEC fighters by exposing them to the UFC's audience, who never would have seen them in the WEC, and Zuffa is putting on essentially the same number of events for the UFC (31 was the target) this year as they did for the the UFC and WEC (32 events) last year. And since it looks like they moved the maximum number of fights on a card from 11 to 12 (UFC 127 has 12 rumored fights) the total number of matches looks to essentially stay the same.

So more people can see more fights, considering the upgrade in number of events on channels people actually watch. That sounds like a good thing to me.

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I like it so far. I think Dana will sweeten the pot further though. I think GSP vs Shields will be a very technical fight that well informed T.O. fans will appreciate and Dana knows it. Plus we Canucks like to see our own like Bocek fight. Should be a great card and I'll be there.
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The fans are in no way better off with the BW and FW divisions in the WEC. Spike is in about 25,000,000 more homes than Versus, which gives them exposure to a much larger audience.

WEC 53, with both Pettis-Henderson and Cruz-Jorgenson for title fights averaged 615k viewers. Aldo's title fights on VS. never broke an average audience of 500k. Faber as the FW champ was the only thing that ever attracted a considerably larger audience to VS.

UFC Fight Night 22: Marquardt vs. Palhares scored an average of 1.2M viewers, double a WEC card with two belts on the line, but that was still the worst figure in the series' history. UFC 122: Marquardt v. Okami, which was significantly tape delayed, did 2.2M average viewers.

I can't believe there's even discussion about this being good for the fans. It dramatically increases the profile of WEC fighters by exposing them to the UFC's audience, who never would have seen them in the WEC, and Zuffa is putting on essentially the same number of events for the UFC (31 was the target) this year as they did for the the UFC and WEC (32 events) last year. And since it looks like they moved the maximum number of fights on a card from 11 to 12 (UFC 127 has 12 rumored fights) the total number of matches looks to essentially stay the same.

So more people can see more fights, considering the upgrade in number of events on channels people actually watch. That sounds like a good thing to me.
Excellent post, completely agree. Killershark seems to have an agenda recently, whereby he finds any possible criticism in the ZUFFA product and then goes on to make it sound like it's a massive conspiracy theory that no-one else has worked out. He did it in this thread most notably, and has done it countless other times.

I just don't get the hate. This merger is nothing but good, and I'd have thought Killershark, being from the UK where we previously never got to see any WEC events, would be enjoying the merger. We now get to see the likes of Jose Aldo, Anthony Pettis, Urijah Faber, Dominick Cruz, Miguel Torres, Benson Henderson, Michihiro Omigawa, etc etc on UK TV. It also gives those fighters more exposure to a mainstream audience, which in turn will make these guys more money and gain them more fans. How could it possibly be a negative thing for the sport?

Anyone that's disappointed about seeing Urijah Faber or Miguel Torres on a UFC main card obviously isn't a fan of the sport, those guys are seriously entertaining as are most of the guys in the lower weightclasses. Having these guys on a main card does not make them look like a 2nd tier promotion either, that's just complete Anti-ZUFFA drivel. If you take away the hype and presentation, you still get the best promotion in the world, with 90% of the best fighters in the world competing on a regular basis. Give it up dude, it's getting boring. You love Strikeforce, hate Dana White and the UFC, we get it.

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Wait, UK never got any WEC fights? I'm sorry to hear that. You guys are obviously one of those people who will benefit from the merger!

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This merger is nothing but good, and I'd have thought Killershark, being from the UK where we previously never got to see any WEC events, would be enjoying the merger.
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Wait, UK never got any WEC fights? I'm sorry to hear that. You guys are obviously one of those people who will benefit from the merger!
That's a good point. I never thought about the benefits for international fans. But now that you mention it, that's an even better reason the merger is good for fans than the benefits for the domestic market.


By the way, I forgot that if UFC 129 gets Aldo vs. Hominick, that would push it to 12 fights. That certainly makes it look like UFC 127 is less likely to be just an anomaly, and 11-12 fights per event could become the new normal, instead of 11. No way to tell just yet, but I have my hopes.

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Well remember way back when eight fights was the norm and all of them made it on the PPV? With the more fighters in the UFC they will have to make more fights. It's only going to get bigger!

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