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Old 01-12-2011, 03:50 AM   #11 (permalink)
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No, it makes perfect sense.

He is complaining in general about the amount of and diversity of paperwork and actions in dealing with insurance companies. If insurance wasn't privatized then the paperwork and process he would have to go through would be standardized. He would only need to be aware of the changes to one provider and would be repeating the same task over and over which is faster than having to continually alternate between systems. What he was talking about in regards to when he needs to gain approval would also be standardized and would help him with his ability to manage his appointments in a more productive manner.

Also the plan that passed doesn't resemble Obama's plan at all the republicans and shitty democrats wrecked it and essentially made it worthless outside of a few things that they could have passed without a larger bill and insurance companies will no doubt find loopholes around them anyways.
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No, it makes perfect sense.

He is complaining in general about the amount of and diversity of paperwork and actions in dealing with insurance companies. If insurance wasn't privatized then the paperwork and process he would have to go through would be standardized. He would only need to be aware of the changes to one provider and would be repeating the same task over and over which is faster than having to continually alternate between systems. What he was talking about in regards to when he needs to gain approval would also be standardized and would help him with his ability to manage his appointments in a more productive manner.

Also the plan that passed doesn't resemble Obama's plan at all the republicans and shitty democrats wrecked it and essentially made it worthless outside of a few things that they could have passed without a larger bill and insurance companies will no doubt find loopholes around them anyways.

He said things will be worse with Obamacare & that things have gotten worse after health care "reform" was passed.

He said he wanted to fight Obama. Now you know the reason.

Your summary of health care = typical clueless bs.

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Damn Volkman is a ******* idiot. No athletes give their manager a 20% cut. His gripes about the new healthcare plan seem legitimate but he should probably be pissed at republicans for demanding private insurance stay in place not Obama.
How about being pissed at the guy who signed it into law having never even read the bill himself?

Republicans didn't want the law and all and didn't vote for it in any form. In fact this was one of the only bills where 99% of republicans stayed together. What Obama did was peal off some liberal republicans by modifying the bill a bit, taking out the famous "public option" which even many democrats didn't want (and handing out several bribes to fellow democrats in private meetings). Yet Obama and the lame duck dems obsessively pushed through whatever they could.

As a result of this bill, health insurance costs are being driven through the roof. Volkman, like myself, is a small businessman watching his country being thrusted toward socialism. He has a right to be pissed at Obama. You should too. It was shear ego on his part that muscled this through. Republicans aren't blameless in everything, but in this issue, they are.

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God, you people are stupid as hell. There is no reason to even attempt to explain the changes they actually made and how it isn't socialism at all. You can't follow a logical progression of thought. You didn't follow and don't understand our legislative process if you think republicans didn't butcher it completely because they didn't cast a final vote for it.
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God, you people are stupid as hell. There is no reason to even attempt to explain the changes they actually made and how it isn't socialism at all. You can't follow a logical progression of thought. You didn't follow and don't understand our legislative process if you think republicans didn't butcher it completely because they didn't cast a final vote for it.
but but the fox news pundits said it was Obama's fault. He also caused the economic collapse too. lol
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God, you people are stupid as hell. There is no reason to even attempt to explain the changes they actually made and how it isn't socialism at all. You can't follow a logical progression of thought. You didn't follow and don't understand our legislative process if you think republicans didn't butcher it completely because they didn't cast a final vote for it.
Hey watch the rhetoric!

But seriously, tell us the specific portions they wrote. Show us which parts they butchered. And if it was butchered, explain to us why your boy signed it into law. He didn't have to, in fact he didn't have to push it through at all. There were many democrats that didn't want to sign it, and ended up getting all kinds of kickbacks in exchange for their vote. Republicans begged him to start over, and he refused. He even shut the republicans out of debate and had closed door sessions with democrats only.

I'm baffled how you've spun this to blame the republicans. Please share your knowledge.
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God, you people are stupid as hell. There is no reason to even attempt to explain the changes they actually made and how it isn't socialism at all. You can't follow a logical progression of thought. You didn't follow and don't understand our legislative process if you think republicans didn't butcher it completely because they didn't cast a final vote for it.
You think Republicans derailed Obama's bill? As I recall Democrats had a Majority in the house and a Majority in the Senate, they also had the presidency. So they didn't need a single republican to vote for Obama's bill. They just could not get members of their own party to vote for the original bill. They knew if they voted for the original bill they would no longer be in office come January. Apparently you don't understand our legislative process.
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You think Republicans derailed Obama's bill? As I recall Democrats had a Majority in the house and a Majority in the Senate, they also had the presidency. So they didn't need a single republican to vote for Obama's bill. They just could not get members of their own party to vote for the original bill. They knew if they voted for the original bill they would no longer be in office come January. Apparently you don't understand our legislative process.
They were closer to a supermajority than any administration is recent history. But he says republicans, who rejected the bill in rare unison, are responsible for it. I'd thought I'd heard it all. Still waiting for clarification.

But I suppose this cult like devotion to Obama, explains why Volkmann is in such trouble for speaking out against him.

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God, you people are stupid as hell. There is no reason to even attempt to explain the changes they actually made and how it isn't socialism at all. You can't follow a logical progression of thought. You didn't follow and don't understand our legislative process if you think republicans didn't butcher it completely because they didn't cast a final vote for it.

Let me explain health care to you.

Health care in America has been screwed up for decades. Elected officials looked the other way and allowed the health care industry to do pretty much whatever they wanted. Regulation is basically a joke.

They waited until people were desperate and willing to sell their souls to "fix" health care, and pretty much looked the other way as the health care industry bled americans dry.

Look around you. Americans are desperate and want a solution to health care. They don't want to think about it, they don't want to understand the issue. So, they do what people in this situation often do -- they give up their privatized health care industry to direct government control. Having your government directly control something means its 'socialized'.

What they don't understand is that many industries in America have been socialized in the past. In many cases, socialized industries were much, much, worse than their privatized equivalents. The telecom industry was socialized for decades until it was privatized in Reagan's era.

Do you know what a socialized telecom industry looks like? Exorbitantly high fees. Can't own a telephone -- you need to 'rent' one from a big company that has a government sanctioned monopoly over an entire industry. Poor service. Everything is super expensive. No market competition. No industry advancement.

Government sanctioned monopolies are all about helping big business and making small businesses bankrupt to give one entity, company or corporation control over said entire industry.

Now, listen to Volkmann. He says Obamacare made things infinitely worse for him being a small business owner. That's what the health care reform bill is about. Its about killing small health care businesses like Volkmans and giving some big, greedy, corporation a monopoly over virtually the entire industry.

The government says they're going to "fix" health care. But, they didn't do shit to fix it in previous decades until Americans everywhere were desperate enough to support anything -- no matter how dumb or ridiculous a solution it may be.

I hope people can see past the headlines and realize many of these issues are all about money.

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