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Evan Dunham 28 57.14%
Melvin Guillard 21 42.86%
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Old 01-23-2011, 02:23 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Because Guillard is the one who took Clementi down after rocking him(quite dubiously, in typical old Melvin fashion) and got swept.
Yeah he rocked him went for a big kick and landed on his ass , he then got up and slammed him but Clementi swept him, went for a couple arm bars. But the finish came when Guillard tried to get back up and Clementi took him down off the cage and then locked in the body scissor.

Clementi had three take downs in that fight, one legit and two "Fitchian ones".

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and please....lets not get carried away with this "illegal knee" talk

because Dunham was seeing pink elephants waaaaay before that, and TBH the 2nd "clean" knee that Melvin threw was far more brutal than the "illegal" one.
I don't think mentioning it is "getting carried away"

Don't get me wrong, Dunham was out on his feet, he was in worse shape than Roop. But it wasn't.

The reason I bring it up is two fold, one Melvin was taking a huge risk throwing those knees when Dunham was so close to being down. I think when he threw the knee Dunham's hand was on the ground and it was only Dunham's mental mistake of trying to block the knee that cost him. The second reason is regardless of if he was "winning" or "losing" the fight the rules are clear, Mazzughati would have called the fight for Dunham.
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Old 01-23-2011, 02:38 PM   #132 (permalink)
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I don't think mentioning it is "getting carried away"

Don't get me wrong, Dunham was out on his feet, he was in worse shape than Roop. But it wasn't.

The reason I bring it up is two fold, one Melvin was taking a huge risk throwing those knees when Dunham was so close to being down. I think when he threw the knee Dunham's hand was on the ground and it was only Dunham's mental mistake of trying to block the knee that cost him. The second reason is regardless of if he was "winning" or "losing" the fight the rules are clear, Mazzughati would have called the fight for Dunham.
all this is nice.... but I didnt see this same level of fervor for the Hendo/Bisping after-KO shots.

why now?
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Old 01-23-2011, 02:47 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Love him or hate him, if Guillard fights smart from now on (no diving into guillotines) he is a serious force at 55. His hands are awesome yet so many seems to think his boxing is overrated. He is learning at Jackson's how to mix his hands up with kicks, knees and elbows which opens up his hands more.

I won't deny he can be an arrogant douche sometimes but with his skillset and camp, and with good gameplans which he sticks to he should give almost anyone at LW problems.
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That's sort of a random and strange comparison. I wasn't even aware that Henderson's blow was illegal or even borderline. If you are going to draw a comparison between two fights I would suggest Jones/Hamill, and Noons/Gurgel. I felt like this fight was very similar to those two.
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and this type of thinking keeps people believing that Melvin remains stagnated.

People will give fighters like Guida and Jeremy Stephens the benefit of the doubt after they look crisp after one fight/win.

Melvin has won 4 fights in a row using both technical skill and raw force....yet people pretend that they still arent "sold" on his improvement

Funny if you ask me
Melvin improved his stand up and (it seems) his take down defense. The thing is, when does he lose a stand up war? He needs to focus on his ground game. We won't know how much he's improved that area till he rolls around with a sub specialist.
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Melvin improved his stand up and (it seems) his take down defense. The thing is, when does he lose a stand up war? He needs to focus on his ground game. We won't know how much he's improved that area till he rolls around with a sub specialist.
For all we know, he could be "focused" on his ground game. The best defense is not giving your opponent any light of day in their respective strength, which is what he did last night. He doesn't necessarily have to be caught in a bad position to see if he can get out of it, which for him would be on the ground, to see if he has improved. Isn't it more impressive to avoid that predicament all together? To me, that's asking someone with wrestling strengths to bang it out on the feet to see if he's improved. A smart fighter has a plan to keep himself away from those bad situations, and really, pretty much every time that Melvin was subbed was because of mental errors... When a gameplan is executed to near perfection, we think that isn't being tested for some reason. Dunham's holes should be questioned more than Melvin's right now, imo.

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OLOLOLLOL! Who's the fool that was arguing with me again?

Please never attempt another debate with me again.
Cant stand to let things go can you? So your right about a fight and now your above debate..

People argue with you because you're a tool that sees the world in black and white and you like to insult everyone and most feel you are a troll, except for a guess some of the mods.

I get a few fights wrong now and then, happens to everyone. I love the classic childish response, I bet you ran to your computer screaming I GOT HIM NOW MOM GET OUT OF MY WAY!


The knee started to be thrown at the same time Dunham started to rise I dont see how thats Melvin's fault. Jacksons camp made huge difference in him IMO.
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