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post #21 of 75 (permalink) Old 01-15-2011, 09:05 PM
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So someone getting completely schooled and outclassed in grappling and complaining is worth discussion?

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Well then we are clearly talking about different fights. Maybe if you are just speaking in general terms. Stun Gun wasn't being threatened by Diaz because he was negating him with superior grappling. There isn't an organization or scoring criteria in the world where Stun Gun loses that fight.
no, i agree...i just meant in general terms...like some fights the wrestler just gets in too deep subs but survives instead of actually doing anything

or he gets a TD and the other fighter gets right back up but that TD sill holds a lot of weight for some unknown reason

but in termns of that fight i agree with the decision, no reason to cry over it, diaz had a great 3rd round but rounds 1 and 2 he clearly lost

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no, i agree...i just meant in general terms...like some fights the wrestler just gets in too deep subs but survives instead of actually doing anything

or he gets a TD and the other fighter gets right back up but that TD sill holds a lot of weight for some unknown reason

but in termns of that fight i agree with the decision, no reason to cry over it, diaz had a great 3rd round but rounds 1 and 2 he clearly lost
Well now that that's cleared up. Agreed on all points.

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Ive said this before and ill say it again: if you dont like the "boring wrestlers" who "control the fight to a decision", there are 5 things you can do about it:

1. Strike the guy on top of you from the bottom (A.Silva is very good at this with his elbows and body triangle)

2. Submit the guy from your guard (many guys are capable of this)

3. Stand up to get the fight back on the feet (Chuck Liddell and BJ Penn are very good at this)

4. Sweep the guy from the bottom so that you get on top of him

5. DONT GET TAKEN DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE

If you're not capable of doing any of these five things as a fighter, then quite frankly you dont deserve to win and you really need to stop crying about it. I have no respect for guys like Nate Diaz who complain about wrestling and actually find it quite humorous that he considers taking somebody down and punching them in the face to be "not fighting".
Totally this.

Also, if he wants to talk "damage" he's still on the losing end, since his girlie punches couldn't bruise a banana.

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Why don't they just stop scoring fighters for simply being on top. If a guy is pinning you down neither of you are getting hurt by it. It seems like an easy fix. Although I guess if a fighter really is getting TD's and smothering the other guy anyways he'll win on points even if you take out the dominant position bullshit.
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Nate Diaz didn't do shit. Also, not sure how continuously passing guard, getting dominant positions, meanwhile completely negating futile submission attempts is being "inactive".

Oh wait, that's because it isn't.
There's really no sense in going back and forth with you after reading that, as you've clearly demonstrated your bias. That bias and your being a condescending prick aside, Nate did plenty of shit, including whooping Kim on the feet in the third. But again, there's simply no point in discussing it further with you. Not worth the effort.

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Also, if he wants to talk "damage" he's still on the losing end, since his girlie punches couldn't bruise a banana.
Rory Markham and Marcus Davis say 'hello'. Even Kim was sporting a cut. Can't bruise a banana, but can TKO and/or lacerate a human being. I don't think Nate's hands are an issue. He and his brother may not have the punching power of a prime Chuck Liddell, but I don't see how anyone could refer to their striking as girlish when the punches clearly do damage. Not picking a fight with you, but simply disagreeing, respectfully of course.
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Nate Diaz didn't do shit. Also, not sure how continuously passing guard, getting dominant positions, meanwhile completely negating futile submission attempts is being "inactive".

Oh wait, that's because it isn't.
I dont like the Diaz' brothers and think you should accept losses with dignity which they dont but in the whole fight Kim threw 29 ground strikes and he was on top for about 8 1/2 minutes... thats under 4 strikes thrown a minute, add to that the fact he had zero attempted subs and you can see he hasn't covered himself in glory!

I think its mad when you compare that to GSP's fight against Hardy where he got slated for being innactive when in reality he was on top for 20 minutes and threw 164 strikes and had 6 sub attempts!

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The only thing I would really like to see changed in the scoring is TDD if a guy shoots for a take down and you stuff it you get the points he would have for taking you down. It would help stop the constant spamming of takedowns. Also failing to improve position or trying to improve position should be an auto stand up with the takedown points voided.

I have no problem with people utilising wrestling in their game, it's mma they are entitled to use what they want. I do however have a problem with someone leg humping another guy for 3/5 rounds.
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There's really no sense in going back and forth with you after reading that, as you've clearly demonstrated your bias. That bias and your being a condescending prick aside, Nate did plenty of shit, including whooping Kim on the feet in the third. But again, there's simply no point in discussing it further with you. Not worth the effort.



Rory Markham and Marcus Davis say 'hello'. Even Kim was sporting a cut. Can't bruise a banana, but can TKO and/or lacerate a human being. I don't think Nate's hands are an issue. He and his brother may not have the punching power of a prime Chuck Liddell, but I don't see how anyone could refer to their striking as girlish when the punches clearly do damage. Not picking a fight with you, but simply disagreeing, respectfully of course.


Bias. Says the guy with Nate Diaz in his avatar. Yes, it is I who is biased. Me, sherdog, mmajunkie, the three judges, Dana White, Joe Rogan, and just about 70 percent of the fans are biased to think that Nate Diaz did shit in the fight except get outgrappled badly.

Yes he outstruck Kim in the 3rd, fight is 3 rounds. 2 > 1.

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The only thing I would really like to see changed in the scoring is TDD if a guy shoots for a take down and you stuff it you get the points he would have for taking you down. It would help stop the constant spamming of takedowns. Also failing to improve position or trying to improve position should be an auto stand up with the takedown points voided.

I have no problem with people utilising wrestling in their game, it's mma they are entitled to use what they want. I do however have a problem with someone leg humping another guy for 3/5 rounds.
Nonsense. That's like saying if you block a huge haymaker you should be awarded the points the guy would've scored by clocking you and likely dropping you to the floor.

In MMA you are rewarded for offense, not defense.


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Ive said this before and ill say it again: if you dont like the "boring wrestlers" who "control the fight to a decision", there are 5 things you can do about it:

1. Strike the guy on top of you from the bottom (A.Silva is very good at this with his elbows and body triangle)

2. Submit the guy from your guard (many guys are capable of this)

3. Stand up to get the fight back on the feet (Chuck Liddell and BJ Penn are very good at this)

4. Sweep the guy from the bottom so that you get on top of him

5. DONT GET TAKEN DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE

If you're not capable of doing any of these five things as a fighter, then quite frankly you dont deserve to win and you really need to stop crying about it. I have no respect for guys like Nate Diaz who complain about wrestling and actually find it quite humorous that he considers taking somebody down and punching them in the face to be "not fighting".
Nate does all of those //except the last one but sometimes you just cant stop a takedown no matter how good you tdd is



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If that's the case I think the smartest thing to do is to takedown your opponent before he takes you down.

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