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post #21 of 34 (permalink) Old 01-20-2011, 03:18 PM
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I would have to say Vitor beating Silva, then Bieber beating Jones cuz Silva has the longest winning streak.

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post #22 of 34 (permalink) Old 01-20-2011, 03:20 PM
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He is a strong wrestler....but he hasn't shown it that much in MMA. What I've seen is a guy that is a better wrestler than his opponents...but doesn't dominate them.

You can say Bader has had tougher opponents and it'd be a fact.

But I'd rather have complete domination's over O'Brien, Bonnar, Vera, Hamill, and the Janitor than Bader's career. He won TUF. KO'd Jardine, but he is 1-5 over his last 6, and so didn't Houston Alexander. Then he has a couple of Dec. wins and a fight where he struggled on more than half of his TDs.

Bader has the 2 bigger names, but Jones has had solid opponents the whole way through...all known guys...and he dominated every single one of them.

I'm a Nog fan. But he hasn't exactly impressed lately. I think that win is far less impressive after the Brilz match happened before that.

And I don't want to hate on Jardine. But in the last 3.5 years he has 3 wins and 7 losses. His wins are...Francisco France by Dec., Chuck Liddell by SPLIT Dec., Brandon Vera by SPLIT Dec....pretty ugly.

Hamill beat Jardine....so who is the better opponent out of those 2? The more I think about it Jones has defiantly had the tougher UFC career. He has just made it look easy. Bader has the 1 win vs. Lil Nog that makes everyone think he has done more.
Dont get me wrong, I still think Bader is the underdog. But some reason, I see him as a problematic matchup. I have this suspicion Jones has weaknesses we haven't seen yet. Plus, I think his more flashy wins are more a matter of new moves not yet seen and studied.

Also, I think tougher matches prepare a fighter better than easy wins. We'll see.
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If you just mean Bader beating Jones that wouldn't be shocking at all, if you mean completely handling him then that would be more shocking.

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Sonnen dropped Silve a couple of time standing so i don't think it would be any suprice to see Vitor do it. So i think Bader beating Bones would be a bigger suprise, but even that wouldnt be the biggest shock in the world.



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Sonnen dropped Silve a couple of time standing so i don't think it would be any suprice to see Vitor do it. So i think Bader beating Bones would be a bigger suprise, but even that wouldnt be the biggest shock in the world.
My only question about that is, how much did Sonnen's wrestling ability come into play in him landing that shot? A lot of times, wrestlers can keep strikers off balance enabling them to land shots. Will Belfort have the same opportunity?
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Bader and JJ are still somewhat unproven so I cant really be surprised by whatever happens.

But Vitor dropping Silva?? thats just crazy talk!
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Jones is about about two leagues higher than Bader, Belfort could win IMO. Belfort has been sick lately and is coming in better, he very well could be the guy that beats Silva that has been laying dormant after injury before his camp for this fight and being 36 y.o. - aren't good signs - for a guy whose biggest attributes have been speed and reflexes.

Belfort - health (belfort was ready last November while Silva was still recovering), youth, takedowns (solid), GnP (brutal), hand speed (fast), power (outstanding), in the clinch (strong), BJJ (top notch)

Belfort ending Silva's reign would be shocking in the sense that he ended Anderson Silva's long reign as champion, but he has a good chance. His last two fights, Lawler was one thing, but he showed absolute dominance over Franklin before he unloaded the Fflurry to KO him - the only person to brutalize Ace was a younger, healthier Silva... though Silva did it in more patient, counter striking fashion.

Bader isn't that much better of a striker than Vera or Hammill IMO, his takedowns are good, not great, while Jones has showed absolute dominance, never been in trouble, I see Jones imposing whatever game plan he has in mind and finishing. Bader winning would be more shocking from a match-up stand point.
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post #28 of 34 (permalink) Old 01-20-2011, 11:41 PM
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The way you have things worded would have to pick Bader "whooping" Jones. I actually believe Bader is going to win but in no way do I expect him to "whoop" Jones. I don't expect Belfort to win but he does have the chance of dropping him early if he lands that lucky shot.
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post #30 of 34 (permalink) Old 01-21-2011, 09:54 AM
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I give Bader more chance against Jones than Belfort against Silva.
The chance of vitor koing Silva is not as high as ppl think it is.
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