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Old 01-26-2011, 03:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think this is a gimme for Brock back to the Title. He's the worst matchup in the world for JDS bar none.

It's Junior's weaknesses that will be exposed.
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:39 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I think that if you cower away from any hard punch then you don't have a chin.

Yeah man it is MMA. Anyone has a shot against anyone. That is why I love it.
Well this isnt really up for interpretation. The idea of what having a "weak chin" "no chin" is pretty straight forward. If you are getting knocked out left and right then that means you have a weak chin. For instance Keith Jardine, he is an example of someone that has a weak chin. Brock on the other hand is just afraid of getting hit. If anything that has kept his chin stronger because he hasn't allowed it to take as much punishment.

You cant "I think" because this isnt one of those scenarios. You are basically trying to change the definition of the word. It isnt up for interpretation.
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Yeah, we havent really seen JDS's tdd tested to much. I remember Gonzaga getting him down at one point and I think Nelson might have done it as well. JDS has never faced anyone with great takedowns or particularly good GNP. I dont see him being able to keep this fight standing long enough to do significant damage to Brock.
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Yeah, we havent really seen JDS's tdd tested to much. I remember Gonzaga getting him down at one point and I think Nelson might have done it as well. JDS has never faced anyone with great takedowns or particularly good GNP. I dont see him being able to keep this fight standing long enough to do significant damage to Brock.
Gonzaga took him down once for like 1 second, JDS just got right back up. Also Nelson tried multiple times to take him down, even one where they slammed into the cage and the cage shook but JDS was never taken down in that fight. I think JDS has great TDD, but again TDD is different against each person. So it could be different against Brock.

And yes Brock has a good chin he could take a couple of hits and he doesent wobble, thats physical. But his running away and cowering into the fetal position once he starts getting hit, is all mental.
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JDS is going to get KO'd on his back.
I dont think Lesnar has what it takes to get JDS down. I'm expecting Lesnar to shoot early, JDS stuffs it and tees off on him like a punching bag.

If lesnar does manage to get a TD or a trip, I expect JDS to pop right back up and punish Lesnar on his feet.

This is going to be a short night for Lesnar.
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Yeah, we havent really seen JDS's tdd tested to much. I remember Gonzaga getting him down at one point and I think Nelson might have done it as well. JDS has never faced anyone with great takedowns or particularly good GNP. I dont see him being able to keep this fight standing long enough to do significant damage to Brock.
mmm maybe.. current JDS i would agree. I think for the training camp they will be focusing 90% on TDD and 10% on just technique maintenance for the other stuff. They dont need to improve on anything because JDD is already better at everything except wrestling. He obviously wont be trying to take lesnar down so training take-downs is thrown out the window. Only thing he needs to train for is stopping takedowns. I do think they are going to need to hire a big strong guy to simulate a Brock Lesnar double leg. 3 guys i would bring in for my training camp to help prepare for Brocks takedowns are.

Bobby lashley - Not as good of a wrestler as brock is by any means BUT he is still a good wrestler who is explosive and very strong. It will help JDS get comfortable with dealing with much stronger fighters.

Chael Sonnen (I doubt he could get Chael to come help them train seeing as how Anderson Silva is there, and all the smack Chael talked) - But if he COULD i think this would be a very good training partner to have in the wrestling department. Brock Lesnar shoots in for double legs and for the most part he just had to muscle you to get them. Chael Sonnen is known to have an unstoppable double leg and that it feels just like a bulldozer is trying to take you down. I think training with a 210pound Chael Sonnen would be very beneficial to stopping Brocks takedowns.

Cain Valesquez - Obvious reasons but probably impossible.

GSP - Possibly GSP to just help you with MMA Wrestling technique. I dont think anyone else in MMA has managed to adapt wrestling to MMA as well as he has. Training with GSP would probably help your MMA wrestling technique by a large amount.

But realistically it is very hard to find someone that can simulate Brock Lesnar. But if JDS just focuses on training his TDD.. he might be able to stuff a couple shots. Brock Lesnar loses confidence fairly quickly, so after 2-3 failed attempts Lesnar will get visibly bothered.

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TBH I wont be totally surprised if JDS takes Lesnar down and GNP him. Lesnar is huge and strong but thats about it, his technique sucks.

I love watching him though!
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mmm maybe.. current JDS i would agree. I think for the training camp they will be focusing 90% on TDD and 10% on just technique maintenance for the other stuff. They dont need to improve on anything because JDD is already better at everything except wrestling. He obviously wont be trying to take lesnar down so training take-downs is thrown out the window. Only thing he needs to train for is stopping takedowns. I do think they are going to need to hire a big strong guy to simulate a Brock Lesnar double leg. 3 guys i would bring in for my training camp to help prepare for Brocks takedowns are.

Bobby lashley - Not as good of a wrestler as brock is by any means BUT he is still a good wrestler who is explosive and very strong. It will help JDS get comfortable with dealing with much stronger fighters.

Chael Sonnen (I doubt he could get Chael to come help them train seeing as how Anderson Silva is there, and all the smack Chael talked) - But if he COULD i think this would be a very good training partner to have in the wrestling department. Brock Lesnar shoots in for double legs and for the most part he just had to muscle you to get them. Chael Sonnen is known to have an unstoppable double leg and that it feels just like a bulldozer is trying to take you down. I think training with a 210pound Chael Sonnen would be very beneficial to stopping Brocks takedowns.

Cain Valesquez - Obvious reasons but probably impossible.

GSP - Possibly GSP to just help you with MMA Wrestling technique. I dont think anyone else in MMA has managed to adapt wrestling to MMA as well as he has. Training with GSP would probably help your MMA wrestling technique by a large amount.

But realistically it is very hard to find someone that can simulate Brock Lesnar. But if JDS just focuses on training his TDD.. he might be able to stuff a couple shots. Brock Lesnar loses confidence fairly quickly, so after 2-3 failed attempts Lesnar will get visibly bothered.

ALL IMO OF COURSE.
Add Daniel Cormier to that list, although he probably wouldnt be to keen on that because he is one of Cains training partners.
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Add Daniel Cormier to that list, although he probably wouldnt be to keen on that because he is one of Cains training partners.
Funny thing.

I was actually going to put him on there. But i was having a mind**** moment and could not remember his name. Mix that with being one of Cain Valesquez training partners. And i just said forget it, i wont bother blowing a fuse trying to remember the guys name. Lol

Im glad you said it though because it was bothering me.
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I think it's ridiculous that Lesnar is in this fight, but I care more about rankings than PPV's so anyway...

Junior should KO Lesnar very quickly. He doesn't need to feel Lesnar out, he needs to just rush immediately with his hands and Brock will probably hit the floor before he gets hit cleanly.

Brock's fear will stop him from trying a takedown or any form of counter during Junior's attack, and if he runs backwards JDS will be swarming and Brock will topple over.

If it get's past that, I think JDS will probably end Brock's takedown attempt with punches, he is very fast and finds gaps well. As for his TDD, we haven't seen much but he is springy, and I think his whole style is subtley formed around keeping the fight standing. Could he submit Lesnar or defend repeated TD attempts? None of us know, I don't think he'll have to though.

I used to have hope for Lesnar but Cigano is more skilled, more experienced, and so far has forced his game upon a range of styles. Dos Santos is the better fighter.
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