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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 02-07-2007, 01:03 AM Thread Starter
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i have been thinking about this for a while, thought id throw it out there and see what everyone's thoughts are. there was a thread a little while ago about chuck liddel's stomach and how it always looks like he has a beer gut. most people brushed it off as genetics. one person pointed out that you can occasionally see his abs through the gut...i was thinking of where id seen something similar before, and then it hit me. body building. as body builders are trying to bulk up/get stronger, they take various drugs to help their performance/recovery. growth hormone and various types of steroids are just a few of the such drugs. one side effect is the enlargement of internal organs, which cause the stomach to appear "bloated". if you look at a body builder from the side without him flexing, his stomach actually sticks out a fair ways, more than youd expect anyways. the other reason i decided to post this is gsp said in his radio interview that was posted in another thread, that he would never take drugs to bulk up. he mentioned chucks name, not saying that chuck does drugs....but it was enough to make me think. the money involved in mma now, and the pressure on fighters to perform imo could potentially "force" certain fighters to aquire performance enhancing drugs that are not sanctioned for use in professional sports. if these drugs were used near the beginning of training i wonder if it would be possible to clear a drug test after a fight. im not sure how long the evidence would stay in your body for, but it makes you wonder doesnt it?

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it doesnt make me wonder about chuck. i dont think he has used. its just opinion but i just dont think he'd risk all he has built up. plus he's been tested before. his test was fine before and after the babalu fight at ufc 62 last august.

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I'm sure a majority of the fighters have at least tried PED's, but I doubt many of them use it substantially or regularly. Obviously, there are exceptions both ways, but you will see a lot more gray area here than in other discussions. I would say 75% of the fighters in the UFC have used PED's at some point in their lives. I would say maybe 10% use the regularly still....maybe 25% if you count endurance enhancers.
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i have been thinking about this for a while, thought id throw it out there and see what everyone's thoughts are. there was a thread a little while ago about chuck liddel's stomach and how it always looks like he has a beer gut. most people brushed it off as genetics. one person pointed out that you can occasionally see his abs through the gut...i was thinking of where id seen something similar before, and then it hit me. body building. as body builders are trying to bulk up/get stronger, they take various drugs to help their performance/recovery. growth hormone and various types of steroids are just a few of the such drugs. one side effect is the enlargement of internal organs, which cause the stomach to appear "bloated". if you look at a body builder from the side without him flexing, his stomach actually sticks out a fair ways, more than youd expect anyways. the other reason i decided to post this is gsp said in his radio interview that was posted in another thread, that he would never take drugs to bulk up. he mentioned chucks name, not saying that chuck does drugs....but it was enough to make me think. the money involved in mma now, and the pressure on fighters to perform imo could potentially "force" certain fighters to aquire performance enhancing drugs that are not sanctioned for use in professional sports. if these drugs were used near the beginning of training i wonder if it would be possible to clear a drug test after a fight. im not sure how long the evidence would stay in your body for, but it makes you wonder doesnt it?
Your theory has one HUGE hole in it, if Chuck was using performance enhancing products with anabolic properties don’t you think he would be a little more muscular?
He doesn’t look that big to me, in fact if you look at his physique early in his career he basically looks the same now as he did 6 years ago.

Anabolic steroids when combined with resistance training result in fast muscle growth.
Unless you stack or do excessive amounts of steroids aside from the rapid muscle growth you would see little if any side effects.
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Chuck really doesn't have the STeroid apperence, or ever has. But he, you never can tell....

either way, he's still overrated, and using roids would just seal the deal!

you know, now that you mention it... i find a great deal of similarity between Big Tim and Chuck. both guys have only a big punch in their skill set, and that's it. they're both worthless on the ground and aren't even remotely skilled boxers...

Tim was on roids...

but that's not a valid deduction, just an observation and chance to knock on the both of them! lol...

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Your theory has one HUGE hole in it, if Chuck was using performance enhancing products with anabolic properties don’t you think he would be a little more muscular?

it depends on how you train. im not sure if you weight train or not but you can specifically train to bulk, or specifically train for endurance etc etc. if i were to speculate as to how a fighter would do it, id say in the first month of a 3 month training schedule, use the ped's to gain as much strength as possible. spend the next 2 months working on endurance, technique and speed. i would guess 2 months could possibly work it out of your system, if not on its own then there are plenty of drinks that claim to flush your system for urine tests. tim sylvia never looked like he was taking any kind of anabolic agent, but he was. look at stephen bonnar as well. in any case i never said i thought for sure fighters do it, i just said it made me wonder, cuz it does. and for the record there are PLENTY of drugs other than actual steroids, that produce similar effects.

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There is 2 main kinds of steroids. Anabolic and Androgenic. Anabolics are mainly used by bodybuilders and give muscle size and strength. Androgenics up the muscle endurance and "rip" you out more. Of course all steroids make you stronger no doubt about that. I've experienced with a couple myself. There are certain kinds you can take in conjunction to make yourself a better fighter, bodybuilder, or whatever you want to do. You never know who is taking something unless you look like Coleman or Randleman. Nowadays you can get "supplements" that give the same effect as "the juice" It's easier than ever for one to get their hands on something. And there is many different things you can use to mask the chemicals in your body.
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it depends on how you train. im not sure if you weight train or not but you can specifically train to bulk, or specifically train for endurance etc etc.


Well he's definitely not training for endurance . And if he is, well then he's doing something wrong!
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Well he's definitely not training for endurance . And if he is, well then he's doing something wrong!
Everyone always says that Chuck has no endurance because of gassing out in fights that happened years ago but he didn’t look very tired in the 3rd against the training “God” Tito. If Tito is the cardio monster that he claims to be then Chuck must not be far behind (Tito looked more tired than Chuck in the 3rd).
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TBH I think with Chuck it is simply genetics that have made him that shape.Also sometimes guys who have lost a large amount of weight can get "stretched out" leaving a belly,love handles or moobs that no amount of training will change ala Tim Silvia.
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