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Old 02-05-2011, 06:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I've just watched Tito Ortiz vs Forrest Griffin 2 again and all the punishment that Forrest took started me wondering how he feels after so many battles he's been in. I mean, does he suffer from severe headaches, for example, even when he does not fight? What about visual perception, the nervous system, etc? I set Forrest as an example, but I'm basically talking about every fighter that's been in similar situations multiple times (Leben, Wanderlei, Nogueira...) I'm just trying to understand what the real fighters feel, how this affects their performances and training.
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Old 02-05-2011, 06:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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They do feel something but its not as bad as you think. Like if you get in a fight right now u will wake u and will never get out of bed because your body is not use to it. These guys are so used to the punishment that they will be fine a day or 2. A normal person would require a long time to recover. For example a lot of muay thai guys can kick wood for hours and not feel anything. If an untrain person does it they will likely but hurt after the first strike. After doing something over and over again ur body gets use to it. Then eventually after a long time of doing it ur body will break down and u can't do it anymore.
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In case of peak punishment it depends on how well you recover, but what's for sure is that long term abrasion due to hard training and fighting really can become a nuisance to your back and joints. That reminds you in everyday life even at simple tasks as stepping down some stairs that you're just a mortal as anyone else. It's not necessarily hurting, but you feel the lack of smoothness. As long as you're warm it's ok, but when your muscles are cold you feel it. I guess that's part of what makes high intensity sport (not only combat sports) addictive. When you train, your muscles are warm and adrenaline starts to pump your body appears to be perfect again and you can forget the little nuisances.
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They do feel something but its not as bad as you think. Like if you get in a fight right now u will wake u and will never get out of bed because your body is not use to it. These guys are so used to the punishment that they will be fine a day or 2. A normal person would require a long time to recover. For example a lot of muay thai guys can kick wood for hours and not feel anything. If an untrain person does it they will likely but hurt after the first strike. After doing something over and over again ur body gets use to it. Then eventually after a long time of doing it ur body will break down and u can't do it anymore.
Seriously... you cannot compare shins to the brain. The brain does not have the ability to recover like much of the human body. Head trauma is a troubling thing. Clearly humans can take a lot of blows to the head but the damage is accumulative. This is why I hate it that fighters refuse to hang up their gloves. Look how easily Chuck was getting KOd - that's almost certainly a result of damage to the brain after a long fighting career.
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I watched the Muhammad Ali documentary that came out recently and I could not understand a single person being interviewed. A lot of them needed subtitles because of how incoherent they were. Then at the end, they showed how Ali behaved now with Parkinson's and it was really sad how impaired he was. I know that it's boxing but MMA is still relatively new so it's hard to see the long term effects of it.

It's the only thing keeping me back from actually trying to compete in MMA. I love the sport but I'd like to remember my kid's names after I become a father.
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Seriously... you cannot compare shins to the brain. The brain does not have the ability to recover like much of the human body. Head trauma is a troubling thing. Clearly humans can take a lot of blows to the head but the damage is accumulative. This is why I hate it that fighters refuse to hang up their gloves. Look how easily Chuck was getting KOd - that's almost certainly a result of damage to the brain after a long fighting career.
o ya brain trauma is huge over time. I was just giving a quick answer of how a fighter can take an ass whooping and be fine, whereas a normal person will be out for days. But like i said over time enough punishment will mess you up until u can't do it anymore.
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I watched the Muhammad Ali documentary that came out recently and I could not understand a single person being interviewed. A lot of them needed subtitles because of how incoherent they were. Then at the end, they showed how Ali behaved now with Parkinson's and it was really sad how impaired he was. I know that it's boxing but MMA is still relatively new so it's hard to see the long term effects of it.

It's the only thing keeping me back from actually trying to compete in MMA. I love the sport but I'd like to remember my kid's names after I become a father.
I totally agree, the same goes for me. Another reason is that I don't truly feel that I have what it takes to be a true fighter I mean this natural gift or calling which the current champions possess.

I think today Forrest's face will once again will be covered in blood and serious bruises. He takes this beating every time he fights, so for how long can his body withstand all this? At least I'm glad that he doesn't get knocked out too often, but it's not so rare either. I wonder what is better to be knocked out with one punch by Anderson Silva (UFC 101) or survive like Jon Fitch who took a severe beating from GSP for 25 minutes (UFC 87)?
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I watched the Muhammad Ali documentary that came out recently and I could not understand a single person being interviewed. A lot of them needed subtitles because of how incoherent they were. Then at the end, they showed how Ali behaved now with Parkinson's and it was really sad how impaired he was. I know that it's boxing but MMA is still relatively new so it's hard to see the long term effects of it.

It's the only thing keeping me back from actually trying to compete in MMA. I love the sport but I'd like to remember my kid's names after I become a father.
boxers get hit in the face.. alot. there are boxers that get hit more in 1 fight than an mma fighter gets hit in their entire career.
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Boxers get hit repeatedly in the head, fighters like Manny Pacquiao can throw upwards of 1200 punches. Not all of them are head shots but taking even half of that and putting it towards the head... that is significantly more than MMA fighters get hit.

Boxers are also allowed to constantly get up even though they are physically done, they can receive concussions in a fight and still be taking tremendous damage. Most MMA fights get stopped when a fighter gets rocked/KO'ed unless they pull some crazy shit out of their ass, refs are quick to stop the fight if they see a fighter cant coherently defend themselves.
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I watched the Muhammad Ali documentary that came out recently and I could not understand a single person being interviewed. A lot of them needed subtitles because of how incoherent they were. Then at the end, they showed how Ali behaved now with Parkinson's and it was really sad how impaired he was. I know that it's boxing but MMA is still relatively new so it's hard to see the long term effects of it.

It's the only thing keeping me back from actually trying to compete in MMA. I love the sport but I'd like to remember my kid's names after I become a father.
there is no scientific evidence that ali's parkinson's is a result of his boxing career...
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