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Old 02-06-2011, 02:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Shogun Vs Bones - who the F do ya got?

its going to be a tough tough fight but i have shogun winning for a few reasons.

1.he has better preparation with jones just fighting just then and it being so soon.
2. shoguns bjj will make him immediately get back from jones inevitable takedowns.
3.shogun is a better fighter, his muay thai is devastating.
4. he is more experienced and he figured out the machida puzzle first.

that said jones has better wrestling, probably more stronger and i have yet to see him tired yet and he is unbeaten.

it will be an awesome fight and can someone pleas post a 128 poster if possible?

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Old 02-06-2011, 02:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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my heart says bones but my brain says shogun.
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Im going Bones, i love the guys style to much, he never showed me a limit to his potential and im not going to limit him now, JJ by TKO 2nd round on Shogun

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Jones, shogun has been off for almost a year and jones is hungry.
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Im going Bones, i love the guys style to much, he never showed me a limit to his potential and im not going to limit him now, JJ by TKO 2nd round on Shogun

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who would win machida or jones?
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who would win machida or jones?
i say machida, but jons beats shogun, styles make fights, and when shogun will fight jon, he will be destroyed.
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Shogun has bad wrestling he will probably get ragdolled to the ground and dominated. The only ways I see him winning are by either a fast KO or heel hook. The way he just manhandled Bader I think he could probably just throw even Rampage to the ground whenever he wants.
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i say machida, but jons beats shogun, styles make fights, and when shogun will fight jon, he will be destroyed.
i'm saying jones just because shogun has been off for so long. But if this fights happens in 3 months rather than 1.2 months it will be different. Reason being:

striking-shogun
wrestling- jones
ground-shogun experience

shogun has enough to win just i just feel ring rust will make him lose.
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Bones is the change in guard. I think he will blow through Shogun. No disrespect to Shogun, I have no problem with him, but I think the Bones is the superior athlete and with all other things equal, that will be the deciding factor.
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3 category break downs aren't nuanced enough.

Yeah, maybe Rua has more experience on the ground, but he is always going to be on the bottom, against a guy who is much larger than him and can throw fight ending elbows. Jones ain't no slouch in terms of his BJJ either. He has shown great top control. Even if Rua manages to standup, he will probably still have Jones attached to him and get taken down repeatedly.

I dunno, I haven't seen very much of Rua's bottom game, just a couple heel hooks and the like, but heel hooks are SOOO 2001. I'm not convinced that being on the ground will be to his advantage or even neutral.

The stand up is where Jones is going to be challenged the most. The only comparable person to Rua who Jones has faced with quality Muay Thai is Vera, and Vera doesn't count because he's Vera.

I find it hard to breakdown Jones striking because it's so unique. The main thing that is a constant however is is range.

If Rua wants to cause damage he's going to have to move inside, and I'm pretty sure if he does that, he's going to get taken down.

Legs kicks might work, but Jones will be looking to catch them. It's a risk when one take down can lose a whole round or end the fight.

So yeah, from the outset I say Jones has the stylistic edge due to fact that he can dictate where the fight goes.

Shogun's best chance is to mix his strikes up, leg kick when certain, move, stay away from the TD, and go for a power counter if the oppurtunity is there.
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