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Old 02-06-2011, 04:46 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The size difference is probably that bit too much for GSP. As much as I'd like to see this fight it may ruin GSP's legacy, when in reality he isn't a MW. Any other fighter of his build moving to MW Rogan would be saying why the hell is he doing that he's too small to compete. But because GSP has the skills people think those alone will make it competitive. A big WW vs a big MW, I can't see GSP winning
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Old 02-06-2011, 04:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Yes, maybe because GSP is nothing like Vitor style wise. Silva vs GSP would look more like Andy Vs Sonnen/Hendo/Lutter.

All tonight proves is what we've known for a while... it's insanity to stand with the spider, no one can beat him there; I doubt even a HW could. You can't be a grappler with zero takedowns that flops around him all night either.

All you need though is top level wrestling. I don't care about his rib injury etc. top level wrestling has ALWAYS made Anderson look human. It's his only achilles heel.

To to people saying Anderson was deliberately getting taken down by Sonnen and getting pounded for 4.5 rounds just so he could land a sub and avenge the jibe to the Nog bros, get a grip. No one takes a massive beating like that just to prove a point, Anderson was trying his level best to KO Chael with weird elbows and kicks like he always does, Chael just had what it takes to get Anderson out of his element. As does GSP.

I'm absolutely pumped for that fight to happen now though, nothing could be more epic. Maybe a JBJ Anderson fight sometime down the line.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:02 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Yes, maybe because GSP is nothing like Vitor style wise. Silva vs GSP would look more like Andy Vs Sonnen/Hendo/Lutter.

All tonight proves is what we've known for a while... it's insanity to stand with the spider, no one can beat him there; I doubt even a HW could. You can't be a grappler with zero takedowns that flops around him all night either.

All you need though is top level wrestling. I don't care about his rib injury etc. top level wrestling has ALWAYS made Anderson look human. It's his only achilles heel.

To to people saying Anderson was deliberately getting taken down by Sonnen and getting pounded for 4.5 rounds just so he could land a sub and avenge the jibe to the Nog bros, get a grip. No one takes a massive beating like that just to prove a point, Anderson was trying his level best to KO Chael with weird elbows and kicks like he always does, Chael just had what it takes to get Anderson out of his element. As does GSP.

I'm absolutely pumped for that fight to happen now though, nothing could be more epic. Maybe a JBJ Anderson fight sometime down the line.
I agree that silva vs gsp is 50-50 but i do believe he only wanted to sumbit chael. Come on he got dropped by chael but dodge 3 punches from vitor. Something was not right about that, silva laid there , with hender/lutter he was very active on the ground.
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Before we make another 15 new threads and 500+ posts, maybe it would be a great idea to hear what GSP has to say about this!

Annyways, i think he doesn't care about this right now.
He has a huge fight coming, in front of the canadian fans, first time in Toronto, massive crowd.

Silva is not his priority!

And another thing: i've said it before: this fight can't happen before october-december!
GSP would need time to put the exra muss the right way. Or, like GSP likes to do things - as close to perfection as possible.

Against Koscheck he made the cut from 188-189.
In order to fight at MW he would need to cut from over 200. That means he has some work ahead of him, just to add the extra mass the right way and get used to it.

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Size can be overcome by technique without much challenges (happens in the UFC a lot). Yes Anderson is taller than GSP, but only has a 1 inch reach advantage. Anderson brings certain talents, so does GSP.

I think regardless of whether or not you are a Anderson or GSP fan, everyone will agree that both guys are really the toughest test each guy has or will ever face.

Anderson stated yet again today that he isn't thinking or wanting to go up to 205, so although people might want to see that, he isn't going up again. Question is who would you rather him face? Next in line for him is Okami.

GSP has said that he does intend to move up to 185, and once he does he will stay there. GSP has also stated that he wants to be known as the pound for pound guy, and to be the man you have to beat the man. If GSP beats Shields, GSP's next opponent will probably either be Fitch or BJ (both he has fought and they haven't beaten him).

Anderson's achillies heel has been his endurance, and GSP's has been his mental weakness. It will be a fantastic fight, and one that no MMA fan will miss.
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I love Silva.

I think he is the best stand-up fighter in the world.

BUT I think GSP will beat him.
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Yes, maybe because GSP is nothing like Vitor style wise. Silva vs GSP would look more like Andy Vs Sonnen/Hendo/Lutter.

All tonight proves is what we've known for a while... it's insanity to stand with the spider, no one can beat him there; I doubt even a HW could. You can't be a grappler with zero takedowns that flops around him all night either.

All you need though is top level wrestling. I don't care about his rib injury etc. top level wrestling has ALWAYS made Anderson look human. It's his only achilles heel.

To to people saying Anderson was deliberately getting taken down by Sonnen and getting pounded for 4.5 rounds just so he could land a sub and avenge the jibe to the Nog bros, get a grip. No one takes a massive beating like that just to prove a point, Anderson was trying his level best to KO Chael with weird elbows and kicks like he always does, Chael just had what it takes to get Anderson out of his element. As does GSP.

I'm absolutely pumped for that fight to happen now though, nothing could be more epic. Maybe a JBJ Anderson fight sometime down the line.
Sonnen is a bigger, stronger, and better wrestler than GSP. There is no way GSP could take the punishment Andy inflicted on Sonnen either every time Silva hit him his entire body contorted. Silva has knocked out two former UFC LHW champions with a back peddling jab and a front kick. It is seriously delusional to think GSP can take enough of Silva's strikes for 5 rounds to get those takedowns. What is he even going to do if he gets there Silva would completely control his body with his superior strength, bjj, and long limbs.
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Sonnen is a bigger, stronger, and better wrestler than GSP. There is no way GSP could take the punishment Andy inflicted on Sonnen either every time Silva hit him his entire body contorted. Silva has knocked out two former UFC LHW champions with a back peddling jab and a front kick. It is seriously delusional to think GSP can take enough of Silva's strikes for 5 rounds to get those takedowns. What is he even going to do if he gets there Silva would completely control his body with his superior strength, bjj, and long limbs.
Right, because GSP has been rocked so many times in his career. Like that one time with Serra hitting him on the back of the head.

It's not like he's ever banged with other powerful strong hitters like Alves and BJ and come out on top. Guys with much better TDD than Anderson, who GSP could take down faster than snapping his fingers.

After all, Anderson's TDD is so much better than NCAA champs like Kos and Hughes who've trained their whole lives to keep from being taken down. Such a stellar TDD that it took almighty guys like Lutter, Takase and Otsuka to take him down, let alone Sonnen, Okami and Hendo.

Silva's size won't count for squat, obviously GSP will only take this fight after he puts on some serious muscle. And for all his power in striking, Anderson is lean and weak in terms of grappling muscles. I've never seen him reverse or overpower someone on the ground. He relies mainly on his long legs for triangles, or dazing people while standing and jumping in for chokes as a formality.

It's possible that Andy utilizes his BJJ and gets a sub, but it is equally if not more probable that GSP rides him out or passes his guard repeatedly for a dominating GnP decision like he's done to MUCH better world champ level BJJ guys and grapplers like BJ, Serra and Karo. The only thing Andy has above these guys in terms of BJJ is a size/length advantage, other than that their creds are far superior.

If GSP is dumb enough to stand with Anderson for an extended period, then of course he will end up on the highlight reel like anyone else. If there were any doubts there Anderson cleared them tonight and put an exclamation mark next to it. But I doubt GSP will be that stupid, considering how perfectly he gameplans against his opponents' weaknesses.
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Right, because GSP has been rocked so many times in his career. Like that one time with Serra hitting him on the back of the head.

It's not like he's ever banged with other powerful strong hitters like Alves and BJ and come out on top. Guys with much better TDD than Anderson, who GSP could take down faster than snapping his fingers. After all, Anderson's TDD is so much better than NCAA champs like Kos and Hughes who've trained their whole lives to keep from being taken down. Such a stellar TDD that it took almighty guys like Lutter, Takase and Otsuka to take him down, let alone Sonnen, Okami and Hendo.

Silva's size won't count for squat, obviously GSP will only take this fight after he puts on some serious muscle. And for all his power in striking, Anderson is lean and weak in terms of grappling muscles. I've never seen him reverse or overpower someone on the ground. He relies mainly on his long legs for triangles, or dazing people while standing and jumping in for chokes as a formality.

It's possible that Andy utilizes his BJJ and gets a sub, but it is equally if not more probable that GSP rides him out or passes his guard repeatedly for a dominating GnP decision like he's done to MUCH better world champ level BJJ guys and grapplers like BJ, Serra and Karo. The only thing Andy has above these guys in terms of BJJ is a size/length advantage, other than that their creds are far superior.

If GSP is dumb enough to stand with Anderson for an extended period, then of course he will end up on the highlight reel like anyone else, there's no doubts there. But I doubt he'll be that stupid, considering how perfectly he gameplans against his opponents' weaknesses.
There's a flipside to that. GSP he has two ways of winning; takedown/GNP or by submission (leg lock, heel hook, ankle lock, knee bar.)

But for special fights as I've pointed out Anderson Silva takes it up a notch. He ALWAYS does. That front kick was very reminiscent of the reverse elbow knockout he did vs Tony Fryklund. It went straight through his guard and it was completely unexpected by the opponent and really everybody. It was one of those "WHAT THE HECK JUST HAPPENED MOMENTS." Look at Belfort, he doesn't even flinch. He gets stunned for a second then crumples too the ground and he couldn't defend. He didn't know what hit em. It was that fast!

Against GSP I think Anderson will go for a flying knee to counter the take down ala Carlos Newton, Travis Lutter, and Demian Maia. It's not just about winning for him, it's about HOW HE WINS...and HE WINS IN STYLE. The last time I was this shocked was the Forest Griffin fight. He just knocked out one of the most decorated veteran fighters in the history of the sport. A guy who's never been KOed before yet alone in the first round. What does that tell you.

In the end GSP has all the tools to beat Anderson Silva, but I feel "The Spider" will give us something extra special for that bout.
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Silva should be forced to fight at at least LHW from now on in, or if a GSP fight is to be made, there should be a rehydration clause, cause without one this is a serious mismatch

Winner of Shogun Jones should be his next opponent

And if he destroys whoever that is then get him up to heavyweight

Fedor's spent a career beating much much bigger guys, lets see Silva challenged in the same way, cause i'm long sick of seeing Silva destroy vastly inferior smaller men in mismatches
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