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Old 02-08-2011, 11:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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true... but still, Edgars 3 opponents before fighting Penn are no better or worse than Bones last 3. Its the way Edgar beat them that got him the shot. Just like Bones.

I guess what I'm saying is that beating a few top 10 guys has never been a pre-requisite for getting awarded a shot in the UFC. It never has been. Hell, Dana admits this regularly.
Edgar had a tough road in my opinion. Including the loss to Maynard, he beat Sean sherk, Hermes Franca, Spencer Fisher, Mark Bocek, and Tyson Griffin. He also had a win over Jim Miller before joing the UFC.

Jones' best win is Bader.
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Old 02-08-2011, 11:47 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I think it's par the course, as far as the UFC goes. Many of the contenders/champions got seemingly undeserved shots.

Rua got his shot after beating a washed up chuck.

Edgar got his shot before Maynard. after losing thier first fight he beat 3 ok-ish fighters to line up Penn.

Sanchez?

Lesnar?... 3 times!

Hardy? beat 1 top 15 guy only.

Cote? ummm

Leites? Gets battered by Marquart and won via fouls.

It goes on...
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Plus, he was supposed to fight at least 1 more time to get his shot, but the situation is already known - rampage not taking the chance - and so, Jones was ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT CHOICE: excellent run of results, great momentum, very talented and skilled young fighter, motivated!!!

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extremely easy road.... jon jones = brock lesnar

titleshot check big strong athletic powerful quick w/ longest reach in division check standup defeciencies check
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Hey Limba, I was thinking of a comparison with Jones and Brock the other day....

I believe both got early shots due to their athleticism, potential and just freakish ability in the ring for such a small time in MMA.

The one glaring hole in both guys games are this: Striking

Both need to turn it up to the next level, then I see Jones and Lesnar almost unstoppable in the coming future.

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The easiest justified shot? Yeah when your in 205 and you don't fight any of the guys Sideways listed it's hard to say you deserved it, LHW has always imo been the most stacked division. But the most important thing is he didn't get the shot because Dana thought he deserved it, he got it because Rashad Evans got hurt.

I don't think Bader is in that class yet, he's still a young fighter the only guy on the list I would say Bader is near is Thiago Silva due to the fact Thiago doesn't have alot of marquee victories. His two biggest fights against Evans and Lyoto he lost. If Thiago loses to Rampage a Thiago-Bader fight makes sense to me.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:26 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Hey Limba, I was thinking of a comparison with Jones and Brock the other day....

I believe both got early shots due to their athleticism, potential and just freakish ability in the ring for such a small time in MMA.

The one glaring hole in both guys games are this: Striking

Both need to turn it up to the next level, then I see Jones and Lesnar almost unstoppable in the coming future.

Comm'on man!
Don't go there too!

Jones' skill set is miles ahead of Lesnar's.

1. Stop comparing Jones' striking to Lesnar's non-existant striking. The one thing i agree is that both use their striking to set up their TDs.
Jones has more than decent striking. He's a dynamic striker, who comes from different angles. Has very good cage movement. And, on top of that, add to that his spinning elbows and all the other flashy thing he pulls on the feet.
What can Brock do on the feet, apart from rushing towatds his opponent to take him down?! Lesnar's striking/stand-up game is almost non existant.

2. Lesnar got his title shot while having a 1-1 record in the UFC. With a win over Herring! And Herring hasn't fought anyone since that fight!

Jones is getting his, having a 12-1 record, 6-1 in the UFC, with 4 stoppages. And we all know what happened in the Hammill fight. He should have been 13-0/7-0 in the UFC.
(but that's another story)

3. Jones' wrestling is completely different than Lesnar's.

The fact that he got this title shot - with Evans hurt - doesn't support a comparison between him and Brock Lesnar.

As far as talent, skill-set, evolution as a fighter - Jones is nothing like Lesnar.
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I agree he didn't have to fight an elite A level fighter to get his title shot but I am pretty sure if Rashad didn't get hurt or Rampage accepted the fight they would have given Jones someone like Forrest or Thiago Silva to fight next. But because of the circumstances he was their best option.
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Comm'on man!
Don't go there too!

Jones' skill set is miles ahead of Lesnar's.

1. Stop comparing Jones' striking to Lesnar's non-existant striking. The one thing i agree is that both use their striking to set up their TDs.
Jones has more than decent striking. He's a dynamic striker, who comes from different angles. Has very good cage movement. And, on top of that, add to that his spinning elbows and all the other flashy thing he pulls on the feet.
What can Brock do on the feet, apart from rushing towatds his opponent to take him down?! Lesnar's striking/stand-up game is almost non existant.

2. Lesnar got his title shot while having a 1-1 record in the UFC. With a win over Herring! And Herring hasn't fought anyone since that fight!

Jones is getting his, having a 12-1 record, 6-1 in the UFC, with 4 stoppages. And we all know what happened in the Hammill fight. He should have been 13-0/7-0 in the UFC.
(but that's another story)

3. Jones' wrestling is completely different than Lesnar's.

The fact that he got this title shot - with Evans hurt - doesn't support a comparison between him and Brock Lesnar.

As far as talent, skill-set, evolution as a fighter - Jones is nothing like Lesnar.

I didn't mean it in a bad way, quite the opposite. Both are new to the MMA game and their skill sets have evolved exponentially considering the time invested.

Both are freaks of nature, with crazy power and dominant wrestling skillset.

I agree with the undefeated part, it was a BS move on the UFC's part to make that Hamill fight a loss. At most, it should have been a DQ.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:36 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Franklin
Forrest
Randy Couture
Well all those guy's just fought or are having a fight coming up so Jones was the obvious choice for the title. I agree that it would've been good to see him against one of those guy's but what do you do.
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The similarities between Jones and Lesnar are undeniable; groundfighters, poor striking, not long training MMA, biggest fighters in their divisions without being slow, lots and lots of hype.

I don't like Jones' chances against Rua but win or lose he's going to be/already is a big concern in MMA and will improve massively. This is where he differs from Lesnar, who seems to be too involved with the business side of things and doesn't actually spar in training.

On topic though, Jones really could have done with fighting a current or past Top 5 fighter before the title shot, but all the other fighter's situations combined makes him the best option right now. Some good hard Brazillian leg kicks will do him good before he gets too ahead of himself anyway.
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Machida
Franklin
Forrest
Randy Couture.....
Forget those guys. Should have been A. Silva.
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