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Old 02-08-2011, 08:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Did Jones get the easiest road to a justified title shot?

Not hating on Jones because what the kid has accomplished and whom he has beaten at age 23 is just amazing. And he has no say in what path he takes to a title shot. That said...

Fighting in the TOUGHEST division in the UFC. Jones has had a pretty easy road to a title shot. The reason i say this is because the kid has not had even 1 A level opponent. Brandon Vera or possibly Bader(I still have a tough time rating him) are the toughest guys he has fought. And neither of them are even bad A level fighters they are both at best GOOD B level fighters. And it isnt that the LHW division lacks A class fighters. We have

Shogun
Rashad
Rampage
Thiago
Machida
Franklin
Forrest
Randy Couture

All proven A level opponents. Rich or Thiago possibly being in the weaker portion of the Elite. Not too long ago i would laugh if someone said that you dont have to fight any of those guys to get a title shot. So how does a guy have 7 fights, 7 wins (ignore hamill loss) but all against bad-avereage B level fighters and Bader who hasnt fought any A level fighters either.
Did Jones luck out due to the timing of the other fighters?? By that i mean the other fighters are either busy having fights scheduled or injured. Or did the UFC purposely avoid putting Jones in there with someone of the Elite status?? I imagine Win or Lose against Shogun. They are going to start feeding Jones to the wolves. (Or more likely is that Jones is the wolf )
I dont think someone is going to get a title shot without having atleast 1 or 2 Elite wins for a long time. Even Randy Couture who has his title shots gifted to him normally is stuck going through these guys.

I salute you Jones! You are special in many ways.

Off to bed. Looking forward to reading your guys opinions.

Also curious. Does anyone put Bader in the same class as the rest of those guys i mentioned?? And if you do tell me why?? If you look at the list of his opponents you will see he has no Elite wins either. So i really am curious how you would justify it.

Alrighty. Im off to bed. Night guys.
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Old 02-08-2011, 08:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I wouldn't say Thiago is on the weaker side of the scale of LHW elites by a long shot, he has lost to Machida and Rashad and there is no shame in that especially because he was carrying a back problem for the latter and couldn't train properly.

Jones beat who was in front of him. I would say only Miller(LW) deserves a title shot more in the UFC right now especially with his record.

I mean Jones hasn't had to fight a Rampage or a Machida yet but I believe that the win of Bader was pushing him to that level of challenge next. Just so happens that everybody is either tied up or injured who could be ranked higher than Jones in the LHW division.

Rampage turned the opportunity down and that's a smart move on his part as trying to make weight and have a good training camp bringing him in at 100% in time for a fight he is close to anyway seems like an unnecessary risk.
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Very interesting thread, I look at it like this...


Jones is a very talented, young and upcoming fighter. I think his road has not been easy, considering his career of training/fighting has span just over three short years.

Yes, his opponents were't A/B level and yes, I think it's an easier route. I think we have a very BIG exception to all rules here.

I believe Dana sees something very special in Jones and wants to see if he can rise to the occasion.

Rampage declined the chance due to short notice (which I thought was a very smart move), he'll get a shot soon.

I personally think Jones should have had to fight Rampage/Thiago or Randy/Forrest (I leave Machida out because he's on a losing streak).

I think it's too soon for Jones and Shogun is going to teach him a very dear lesson in Muay Thai with brutal leg kicks and a flurry of big punches that ends in either TKO or a submission when he drops Jones to the ground.


Jones will be a champ one day, he'll have to take some big lumps to earn it though!

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I think he got a bit of an easy way to a title shot. I mean he beat Gusmao, Bonnar who is tough but not a top fighter, Brandon Vera who has been cut by the UFC, Jake O'brien who is again tough but nowhere near the top, Vladimir Matyushenko who is not the same fighter he was back in the past, and then a tough prospect in Bader.

Don't get me wrong, Jones is one hell of a talented fighter, but I think he should have faced at least 1 top fighter before getting a title shot.
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He had a pretty easy road it's true, but at the same time, everyone recognizes his potential, I don't think you will find too many people who will complain about his easy (relatively) road. I definitely would like to see him fight someone on that list before he fights for the title, but I don't care that much, I'm quite sure he would get a shot eventually either way.

Besides, who else could you give it too? Machida coming off a loss, Rampage turned it down, Rashad injured, Couture is too old, Franklin lost, Thiago Silva had a decent win, but just hasn't been that impressive. Griffin would be the most likely candidate for me, especially since his previous win over Shogun would make a nice back story, it might have made more sense to give him a shot and make JBJ fight one of the others, but I can live with Jones getting the shot instead.

Now the kid really gets to sink or swim.
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Old 02-08-2011, 09:12 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I think it's par the course, as far as the UFC goes. Many of the contenders/champions got seemingly undeserved shots.

Rua got his shot after beating a washed up chuck.

Edgar got his shot before Maynard. after losing thier first fight he beat 3 ok-ish fighters to line up Penn.

Sanchez?

Lesnar?... 3 times!

Hardy? beat 1 top 15 guy only.

Cote? ummm

Leites? Gets battered by Marquart and won via fouls.

It goes on...
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I think it's par the course, as far as the UFC goes. Many of the contenders/champions got seemingly undeserved shots.

Rua got his shot after beating a washed up chuck.

Edgar got his shot before Maynard. after losing thier first fight he beat 3 ok-ish fighters to line up Penn.

Sanchez?

Lesnar?... 3 times!

Hardy? beat 1 top 15 guy only.

Cote? ummm

Leites? Gets battered by Marquart and won via fouls.

It goes on...

I agree whole heartidly with your list with exception of Rua.... he's the best LHW in the world and PRIDE proved that. He didn't have a great start in UFC, but he was also injured and never did the proper path to rehabilitation to be 100% again.
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I agree whole heartidly with your list with exception of Rua.... he's the best LHW in the world and PRIDE proved that. He didn't have a great start in UFC, but he was also injured and never did the proper path to rehabilitation to be 100% again.
Edgar also got the shot before Maynard because Maynard said he was not ready.
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Edgar also got the shot before Maynard because Maynard said he was not ready.
true... but still, Edgars 3 opponents before fighting Penn are no better or worse than Bones last 3. Its the way Edgar beat them that got him the shot. Just like Bones.

I guess what I'm saying is that beating a few top 10 guys has never been a pre-requisite for getting awarded a shot in the UFC. It never has been. Hell, Dana admits this regularly.
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I think he got a bit of an easy way to a title shot. I mean he beat Gusmao, Bonnar who is tough but not a top fighter, Brandon Vera who has been cut by the UFC, Jake O'brien who is again tough but nowhere near the top, Vladimir Matyushenko who is not the same fighter he was back in the past, and then a tough prospect in Bader.

Don't get me wrong, Jones is one hell of a talented fighter, but I think he should have faced at least 1 top fighter before getting a title shot.




extremely easy road.... jon jones = brock lesnar

titleshot check big strong athletic powerful quick w/ longest reach in division check standup defeciencies check
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