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Old 02-16-2011, 07:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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UFC planning strategies - brilliance or madness?

So.
This subject has been on my mind for some time honestly.

This morning (european time here), while reading the latest MMA news, one title in particular, caught my attention, on MMA Junkie.

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Dana White: BJ Penn vs. Jon Fitch Will Decide Next No. 1 Contender
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Well, i agree it would make a lot of sense.
Fitch is the number 1 contender for ages really. Since he lost to GSP he disposed of every fighter put in front of him, even if he didn't do it in spectacular fashion. But he beat everyone.
Fitch is a beast - simple as that. And the only reason while he didn't get his shot already it's because there were others who didn't get the shot at GSP's title so far.

BJ?! Well...BJ has something about him. Amazing or ... not amazing! Simple as that. He destroyed Hughes in 21 seconds. Epic!
So...why not give him Fitch! Makes sense! If BJ was to challenge GSP, he definitely should test himself with Fitch.

And this is when i started thinking about this: what are the UFC's intentions really?!

Everyone knows what Dana said: if GSP beats Shields, he will fight Anderson Silva at MW.
But that would mean, winner of Fitch-Penn would have nobody to fight against for the belt!

So, what does the UFC know and they're not telling us?!
I tried to run some scenarios in my mind and i still haven't figured it out yet. But, i'll share it with you:

1. GSP beats Shields and then fights Silva.
1a. GSP beats Silva - that means he will most likely stay at MW to defend the belt, in a rematch, most likely, because everyone would ask for it, starting with Silva and his camp. That would also mean GSP would vacate his WW title, so that winner of Fitch-BJ could fight against the next-in-line contender. But i don't believe GSP will vacate his title, before the possible Silva fight.
1b. GSP loses a close decision to Silva - in this case it depends on how he loses. If it's a close decision for Silva, again: the chances for a rematch are big. And GSP would vacate his title to stay at MW.
1c. GSP loses badly to SIlva - i believe GSP would say: "screw the MW division, i'm going back to my division to beat those guys and kill their dreams". I don't think GSP would stay in a division where the chances of him having the belt wouldn't be too good. I just don't see it.
He is used on being a champion and he loves it!
In this case, having the WW belt, he would defend it against winner of Fitch-BJ, but that fight would take place sometimes next year, meaning Fitch or BJ would take a long break from fighting. ANd that sucks! Big time! For them, for the UFC, for the fans!

2. GSP loses to Shields
It depends on how that fight will go also - GSP could loses a close decision to Shields (more than possible) and GSP could come out and ask for a rematch and the UFC would have to agree, especially when there are similar cases happening recently: (BJ-Edgar or Edgar-Maynard).

If the fight would have a clear outcome - Fitch or BJ would fight for the WW belt later in the year - september or october?!
But that would screw UFC's plans for GSP vs Silva. And i don't think they want that! NO WAY!

Sounds like something SCI-FI doesn't it?!
Maybe i'm asking myself too many questions, but i couldn't help it.

The way the UFc has put together some fight in the last 2 years, had me wonderring.
Are they hiding something?!
Do they have some *secret plans* for the near future?!

Are they taking a big gamble on all this GSP-Silva *super-ultra-mega-fight*?!

Maybe the solution will be easy as hell.
Some say GSP beats Shields and vacates title to fight Silva, but i doubt it. I believe in something more like what BJ did when he fought GSP for the second time...

Oooh well...just silly words coming out of my keyboard.

But i would like to hear your thoughts on this also!

See if there are others out there, with such a lovely imagination as mine...
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Old 02-16-2011, 10:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So.
This subject has been on my mind for some time honestly.

This morning (european time here), while reading the latest MMA news, one title in particular, caught my attention, on MMA Junkie.



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Well, i agree it would make a lot of sense.
Fitch is the number 1 contender for ages really. Since he lost to GSP he disposed of every fighter put in front of him, even if he didn't do it in spectacular fashion. But he beat everyone.
Fitch is a beast - simple as that. And the only reason while he didn't get his shot already it's because there were others who didn't get the shot at GSP's title so far.

BJ?! Well...BJ has something about him. Amazing or ... not amazing! Simple as that. He destroyed Hughes in 21 seconds. Epic!
So...why not give him Fitch! Makes sense! If BJ was to challenge GSP, he definitely should test himself with Fitch.

And this is when i started thinking about this: what are the UFC's intentions really?!

Everyone knows what Dana said: if GSP beats Shields, he will fight Anderson Silva at MW.
But that would mean, winner of Fitch-Penn would have nobody to fight against for the belt!

So, what does the UFC know and they're not telling us?!
I tried to run some scenarios in my mind and i still haven't figured it out yet. But, i'll share it with you:

1. GSP beats Shields and then fights Silva.
1a. GSP beats Silva - that means he will most likely stay at MW to defend the belt, in a rematch, most likely, because everyone would ask for it, starting with Silva and his camp. That would also mean GSP would vacate his WW title, so that winner of Fitch-BJ could fight against the next-in-line contender. But i don't believe GSP will vacate his title, before the possible Silva fight.
1b. GSP loses a close decision to Silva - in this case it depends on how he loses. If it's a close decision for Silva, again: the chances for a rematch are big. And GSP would vacate his title to stay at MW.
1c. GSP loses badly to SIlva - i believe GSP would say: "screw the MW division, i'm going back to my division to beat those guys and kill their dreams". I don't think GSP would stay in a division where the chances of him having the belt wouldn't be too good. I just don't see it.
He is used on being a champion and he loves it!
In this case, having the WW belt, he would defend it against winner of Fitch-BJ, but that fight would take place sometimes next year, meaning Fitch or BJ would take a long break from fighting. ANd that sucks! Big time! For them, for the UFC, for the fans!

2. GSP loses to Shields
It depends on how that fight will go also - GSP could loses a close decision to Shields (more than possible) and GSP could come out and ask for a rematch and the UFC would have to agree, especially when there are similar cases happening recently: (BJ-Edgar or Edgar-Maynard).

If the fight would have a clear outcome - Fitch or BJ would fight for the WW belt later in the year - september or october?!
But that would screw UFC's plans for GSP vs Silva. And i don't think they want that! NO WAY!

Sounds like something SCI-FI doesn't it?!
Maybe i'm asking myself too many questions, but i couldn't help it.

The way the UFc has put together some fight in the last 2 years, had me wonderring.
Are they hiding something?!
Do they have some *secret plans* for the near future?!

Are they taking a big gamble on all this GSP-Silva *super-ultra-mega-fight*?!

Maybe the solution will be easy as hell.
Some say GSP beats Shields and vacates title to fight Silva, but i doubt it. I believe in something more like what BJ did when he fought GSP for the second time...

Oooh well...just silly words coming out of my keyboard.

But i would like to hear your thoughts on this also!

See if there are others out there, with such a lovely imagination as mine...
Is it me or did it just feel like I read a synopsis for the next conspiracy Minority Report/The Adjustment Bureau type of film.

MMA matchups are tricky. Not all matchups always make sense, a lot of it happens to be timing. However if you really think about it. It's one of the few sports where us "the masses", "the fans", have a say. Remember when Hendo vs Franklin 2 was scheduled then everybody made a shitstorm about it. We all wanted Fedor and Dana went out of his way to sign em. On and on. Dana is trying to put on the best fights that make sense. He's doing an exceptional job!

BTW: I loled at ---> GSP loses badly to SIlva - i believe GSP would say: "screw the MW division, i'm going back to my division to beat those guys and kill their dreams".
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Is it me or did it just feel like I read a synopsis for the next conspiracy Minority Report/The Adjustment Bureau type of film.

MMA matchups are tricky. Not all matchups always make sense, a lot of it happens to be timing. However if you really think about it. It's one of the few sports where us "the masses", "the fans", have a say. Remember when Hendo vs Franklin 2 was scheduled then everybody made a shitstorm about it. We all wanted Fedor and Dana went out of his way to sign em. On and on. Dana is trying to put on the best fights that make sense. He's doing an exceptional job!

BTW: I loled at ---> GSP loses badly to SIlva - i believe GSP would say: "screw the MW division, i'm going back to my division to beat those guys and kill their dreams".
Yeah...conspiracies are great! Gotta love them!

But seriously...at least regarding this subject.
A lot of "IF" are involved in this equation.

I know somehow it will turn up well and everyone will be satisfied (except the losers of those fights...), but my brain just screamed out, asking for attention, telling me: hey jerk...something doesn't add up here...do something! Make a new thread about it!

On paper, Dana is asking for too much (at least from from GSP - that's my impression), but we will see.

That's why i love this sport!

No matter how many scenarios you run in your head, it will end up with some dude fighting in the cage and fans loving every minute of it!
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1. Gsp beats Shields.
2. He moves up to mw.
3. He almost gets triangled in the last 2 minutes of the 5th round against Silva but pulls off a lucky decision.
4. He moves between each weight class once a year to defend his title, ww in the earlier part of the year and mw after summer.
5. Gsp then quits the ufc a year later to do olympic wrestling.

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1. Gsp beats Shields.
2. He moves up to mw.
3. He almost gets triangled in the last 2 minutes of the 5th round against Silva but pulls off a lucky decision.
4. He moves between each weight class once a year to defend his title, ww in the earlier part of the year and mw after summer.
5. Gsp then quits the ufc a year later to do olympic wrestling.

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Haha...well done Mr. Spielberg! That's one hell of a scenario!

But GSP said if he makes the move to 185 and feels good at that wight class, he won't come down to WW.
Personally i think he would be kinda small for 185, but he knows better.

And another thing - one that i wanted to discuss in a separate thread - but seeinf how reality doesn't give us an example, i abandoned that.
I'm talking about a fighter, holding 2 titles in 2 different weight classes at the same time and moving up and down in weight to defend his titles.
I trully believe that won't work.

Like you've said: once a year in every division - maybe.
Because messing with your weight more often would cause a lot of damage to your body.

But, in that case it would mess up both divisions, where that fighter would hold the titles. Because, normally there are 2 title fights/year, in each division. 3 at max.
That would mean - that fighter would fight twice as many fights.
If not, it would just create a big line behind him, as far as number 1 contenders are concerned.

It sounds good on paper...but in reality, it would be really hard to achieve something like that.

Cool reply though.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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he could walk around at around 190, diet down into a 185 fight shape and cut to 170, he would give a size advantage at 185 by not cutting weight but its doable.

tho GSP himself has said that if he goes up it will be permanently.
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GSP should move up to MW, Anderson should move up to LHW. BJ and Fitch fight for the WW title.

GSP vs Anderson fight at MW but not for a title. If GSP loses he's still ok at MW because Anderson would be a 'LHW'.

If Sheilds wins we have no superfight but the WW becomes more interesting. Sheilds vs Penn/Fitch.

I don't want to see GSP vs Penn or Fitch.
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If Penn somehow is able to defend against Fitch's Takedowns and win the fight on the score cards, then I would really LOVE too see GSP vs. Penn III

Anything else for example a quick KO win from Penn or submission.. won't do it for me and GSP should fight Silva next.

He needs to show me that he could handle Fitch's Wrestling and weight/strenght. And show me that he doesn't gas out or gives up in between rounds when things get tough and don't quite go his way.
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