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BJ Penn 34 50.00%
Jon Fitch 34 50.00%
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post #191 of 295 (permalink) Old 02-27-2011, 01:28 AM
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the whoel reason you have an ODD number of judges (3) is so that if one judge is off base and the other 2 have the same exact score, those 2 that have the same exact score are more likely seeing it the way it was rather then the 1 rogue judge. thats why its odd #....

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Are you dumb? Majority had DRAW... its basically the majority rules. Thats like saying if 49 out of the 50 states all voted equal for president you would pick the 50the state to decide whoever they want.
Yep, I got owned by the guy who doesn't understand how presidents are elected.
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Fitch isnt the same calibre of fighter as the likes of Penn or other great champions. He just doesnt have that X-factor, he was never destined to be a champion and he never will be one.

This isnt mike pierce, paulo thiago or diego sanchez fitch is fighting now, its BJ Penn, a different animal all together.

I think BJ is even going to go for take downs in this fight. His take down game and wrestling is under rated and under used, I think hes going to surprise a lot of people with it here.

He took frankie down 2/3 times, hes took a prime takanori gomi down with ease (who is a solid wrestler) or was.... he dumped florian on his ass like it was nothing. And he ALMOST took georgey boy down at one point.


Penn wins via being the superior fighter.
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BJ can take fitch down.

Fitch doesn't really have great TDD and BJ has seriously underrated TD's everyone always talks about his TDD but his offensive wrestling is just as good as his defensive, he took GSP down in the first fight and yes that was years ago but straight after GSP was stuffing hughes with ease and that was when matts wrestling was still some of the best.

Obviously it's very doubtful that he will be able to control fitch on the ground but if he utilizes it then he can throw fitch off a bit.
Even though BJ lost, just like to point out that we were the only two guys who expected Penn to go for take downs.
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How can we buy this decision when it was given by the same judges that awarded Nick Ring a UD?!

Seriously!?!

Zero credibility!

Fitch won this fight. Period!

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How on earth are people making an arguement that Fitch won round 2? His TD at the start was because BJ went for that knee and BJ just shrugged him off, BJ than defended Fitch's TD turned around and took Fitch down with authority and took his back which is considered a very dominant position, Fitch rolled out and ended up in BJ's guard but A that was not nearly as dominant a position as BJ had and B it was not because he took BJ down. rolling over into BJ's guard is not an offensive manuver that should score points its a defensive manuver because your opponent gained a dominant position. Do you guys score points for a fighter who is on his back and regains full guard from half guard? BJ clearly won the first two round every bit as clearly as he lost the third 10-8. That was a picture perfect draw.




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Penn had the choke in, his arm was under his chin both times, it was very close to locking it up, maybe you missed that part.

Also, it does win you the fight, when your opponeent doesn't do anything minus reversing a position, and when he did get on top Penn stood up right after.

You're trying to debate laying against a cage + 50 seconds on the ground on top is more important than Penn also pinning Fitch against the cage for a little while, taking him down, getting his back, and nearly sinking in the choke.

The judes saw it the same as me, the same as quite a few other people as well, so no worries.
Getting 1 arm around his neck in back control is very simple. Fitch ha control the whole time and it was just a matter of time before he reverses.

The judges were also the dumbest judges i have seen in a long time. So gratz that you share an opinion with those uneducated retards.

Oh and Fitch also landed a good High kick.

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That would be fine, except my opinion, you know, goes with what the judges stated, with what more than my own opinion states. You do realie I am not the only one that thought Penn won the first two rounds, right?

I'm being vocal about it, but you do realize that I'm not the only one, including the judges?

Mckeever, your "good" shots didn't have anything behind them, unless you're talking about the 50 seconds they were on the ground. Against the cage is what I'm talking about, where is where the majority of the fight took place.

Obviosuly Penn thought he lost, he just got beat down in the third fight. If you are on your back for the entire last round losing, the first thing you think is you lost.

When Penn watches it again, he will feel different.
Apologies, I failed to find the original comment I mean to respond to but this is directed towards Sideways22222 or whatever. Thanks for pointing out what I know. I appear to be delusional. Physics was never my strong point (ps I'm being sarcy)
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Getting 1 arm around his neck in back control is very simple. Fitch ha control the whole time and it was just a matter of time before he reverses.

The judges were also the dumbest judges i have seen in a long time. So gratz that you share an opinion with those uneducated retards.

Oh and Fitch also landed a good High kick.
Getting an arm in and almost connecting the other is almost sinking a choke. What exactly is your definition of sinking a choke? When you got an arm under the chin and your other arm is almost connected, it's close.

Fitch did nothing to win that round, if Penn had not taken him down got his back and almost sinked in the choke, Fitch would have won it casue he had penn against the cage longer, however, Penn DID almost choke him out, he did forcibly take him down and he did get his back.

This edged the round to him in both round 1 and round 2.
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Penn had the choke in, his arm was under his chin both times, it was very close to locking it up, maybe you missed that part.

Also, it does win you the fight, when your opponeent doesn't do anything minus reversing a position, and when he did get on top Penn stood up right after.

You're trying to debate laying against a cage + 50 seconds on the ground on top is more important than Penn also pinning Fitch against the cage for a little while, taking him down, getting his back, and nearly sinking in the choke.

The judes saw it the same as me, the same as quite a few other people as well, so no worries.
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There is all the facts you need for round 2. The domination on fitches part is impressive.

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Getting 1 arm around his neck in back control is very simple. Fitch ha control the whole time and it was just a matter of time before he reverses.

The judges were also the dumbest judges i have seen in a long time. So gratz that you share an opinion with those uneducated retards.

Oh and Fitch also landed a good High kick.
You realize the fact BJ had back control is huge right? The fact Fitch layed in BJ's closed guard without posturing up for a minute and a half before BJ shrugged him not so much. People need to take into account that the fact BJ got up before the round ended is big.




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How on earth are people making an arguement that Fitch won round 2? His TD at the start was because BJ went for that knee and BJ just shrugged him off, BJ than defended Fitch's TD turned around and took Fitch down with authority and took his back which is considered a very dominant position, Fitch rolled out and ended up in BJ's guard but A that was not nearly as dominant a position as BJ had and B it was not because he took BJ down. rolling over into BJ's guard is not an offensive manuver that should score points its a defensive manuver because your opponent gained a dominant position. Do you guys score points for a fighter who is on his back and regains full guard from half guard? BJ clearly won the first two round every bit as clearly as he lost the third 10-8. That was a picture perfect draw.
>Ignores Fitch's big shot standing (biggest one of the fight)
>Ignores Fitchs striking inside the clinch
>Ignores Fitch's ground and pound in guard
>Ignores Fitch out striking Penn by quite a margin in the round
>Profit????????
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