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post #261 of 295 (permalink) Old 02-27-2011, 07:21 AM
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I actually thought BJ had the right gameplan and being more aggressive was working for him.

What the fight really showed me was that against a bigger Welterweight Penn will struggle - the first round he executed his plan to a T, but he started to tire and get out muscled by the better conditioned stronger man.

I fear for Penn if these 2 had a 5 round rematch cos the longer a fight between these 2 goes on the more it becomes the grinders paradise!

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BJ executed a horrible gameplan, yet again.

He tried to wrestle head to head with someone bigger and stronger than him.

His corner gave him hall of fame worthy crappy advice(as it always does): "fast punches, fast punches".

He got Fitch down & immediately went for the finish when he probably would have been better off taking things step by step and wearing Fitch down a little before trying to sink in the sub.

Penn also stood directly in front of Fitch the entire fight which is a pretty dumb move. He probably would have done better if he moved more and gave Fitch angles like he did with Hughes.


Seems like Penn is a very good fighter, but his training staff and corner don't have the same level of sophistication or training that Fitch does. They come up with the dumbest fight plans known to man. And, at some point in his fights against Edgar and Fitch, it seems like Penn realizes hes being out-classed and neither he nor his corner has an answer.

I thought Fitch won. Although, I was hoping Penn would pull the upset.
why are you commenting like someone that hasnt watched penn before? There is a reason he immediately went for a sub when he took fitch down and its the same reason he stood infront of fitch the whole night rather than imitate frankie edgar and its because......wait for it....those things are physically taxing.BJ penn doesnt have the mentality or cardio to grind fights out he looked for the shortest route to end the fight and still got tired..Has nothing to do with bad gameplans/trainers

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i had it 28-28 i think it was fair.
First was clarly BJ, the second was close but BJ did enough to win it. Last one was 10-8, totally ok with this result. Great fight by BJ!
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There is a reason he immediately went for a sub when he took fitch down and its the same reason he stood infront of fitch the whole night rather than imitate frankie edgar and its because......wait for it....those things are physically taxing.BJ penn doesnt have the mentality or cardio to grind fights out he looked for the shortest route to end the fight and still got tired..Has nothing to do with bad gameplans/trainers

Imagine a midget trying to wrestle with a sumo wrestler or Jose Aldo trying to out-wrestle Brock Lesnar. That's what BJ trying to win a wrestling match with Fitch is.

When there are 2 fighters with close to the same skillset wrestling -- the smaller, lighter, guy ALWAYS gets tired first. It has nothing to do with cardio. The smaller fighter expends more energy to maintain or reverse position. That's the reason why lots of people expected Forrest to turn his fight with Franklin into a wrestling match. He would have the advantage and Franklin would get tired, first.

Fitch has spent years developing his style of fighting against the cage and grinding people out on the ground. He knows a lot about playing that game, and it really is his element.

Has BJ spent anywhere near the amount of time or effort fighting in that environment? Hell no. His BJJ is good, but when it comes to blanketing people holding them down and grounding and pounding and fighting against the fence -- that's Fitch's world, not BJ's.

BJ has made the same mistake twice. He fought Edgar in his environment -- in the center of the octagon letting him go in and out. Now, he's fought Fitch in his environment, against the cage in a wrestling match.

So, yeah. BJ and his crew definitely come up with the worst possible gameplans.

They probably still don't understand how Edgar won.

They're not top level trainers and coaches. They just don't have the knowledge.

BJ would be better off if he trained with AKA or somewhere else.


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I had the first round for BJ, the second round was pretty clearly Fitch's in my opinion and the third 10-8 Fitch. I felt he did enough in the second round to win it although BJ had his back at one occasion. He landed some good shots and BJ never really did anything but defend after Fitch got out of the RNC position.




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I actually thought BJ had the right gameplan and being more aggressive was working for him.

What the fight really showed me was that against a bigger Welterweight Penn will struggle - the first round he executed his plan to a T, but he started to tire and get out muscled by the better conditioned stronger man.
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I loved his game plan in this fight it just sucks it did not work out



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All said, ... it was the most exciting Fitch Fight I can think of but, it left me feeling just like BJ looks here.



It will be cool to see who adjusts better in the rematch but, I'm afraid of the answer.

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I dont know if I want to see the rematch. I expected BJ to stomp Fitch, I really did.

I still can not believe BJ had his back twice and got reversed, im ******* shocked. If he was just patient, softened him up with punches, flattened him out.

The entire fight it seemed like he was in too much of a rush. He had all the time in the world in that first round to work his BJJ, but he rushed and got reversed. God damn it.

Post fight interview was sad, I dont know if i want to see that again.
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This is rough on Fitch, you can't call the draw a terrible call, but BJ acted like a beat man and said himself he got beat. Props to Fitch for saying he will fight as many as it takes, he's got to be losing patience soon.

I agree Mckeever, Penn definitely could have taken his time with those positions, just concentrate on a good grip and softening him up. But he rushed, got loose and Fitch span round.

Not sure a rematch is the best thing here, tough call.

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This is rough on Fitch, you can't call the draw a terrible call, but BJ acted like a beat man and said himself he got beat. Props to Fitch for saying he will fight as many as it takes, he's got to be losing patience soon.

I agree Mckeever, Penn definitely could have taken his time with those positions, just concentrate on a good grip and softening him up. But he rushed, got loose and Fitch span round.

Not sure a rematch is the best thing here, tough call.
Yea, he was so close to finishing Fitch, but yet so far away. If he was just patient.

I have NEVER seen BJ give up back control so easily like that, never. He is normally patient in that position and executes the sub perfectly, I was shocked.

I'm annoyed and sad at the same time.
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