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***OFFICIAL*** B.J. Penn vs Jon Fitch Pre/Post Fight Discussion

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#166 ·
I love everyone saying Jon just hugged Penn and laid on him, did no one see Bj's face after the fight? He's looked like that after EXACTLY ONE fight and that was four rounds with GSP.

Fitch put beating on him in the third.
 
#187 ·
Man I can't believe this fight, BJ puts on one of his best performances ever for the first two rounds whooping Jon Fitchs ass and then Fitch turns around and puts on by far the best performance of his career in the 3rd. I wish BJ wasn't so damn tired going into the third because he was just shrugging Fitch off in the first two rounds. I think the obvious size difference at WW was evident here in that when BJ couldn't put him away just grappling with Fitch for 2 rounds had BJ exhausted.
 
#189 ·
Man I can't believe this fight, BJ puts on one of his best performances ever for the first two rounds whooping Jon Fitchs ass and then Fitch turns around and puts on by far the best performance of his career in the 3rd. I wish BJ wasn't so damn tired going into the third because he was just shrugging Fitch off in the first two rounds. I think the obvious size difference at WW was evident here in that when BJ couldn't put him away just grappling with Fitch for 2 rounds had BJ exhausted.
LMAO

BJ didnt come close to "whooping" Fitches ass. What Fitch did in the third is "whooping" ass.
 
#188 ·
The fact is, Bj made this fight exciting, 3rd round was all fitch, and was the one round I wanted to turn off the fight. 5 minutes of top control with no thought of a finish isn't my thing.

Let's break the 2nd round down

cage fighting = neutral
Penn takedowns
Penn opens John up, bleeds everywhere
Penn goes for subs
John reverses to top position and holds out the round ~2 min.

That's a penn round, or a draw.
 
#190 ·
Penn had the choke in, his arm was under his chin both times, it was very close to locking it up, maybe you missed that part.

Also, it does win you the fight, when your opponeent doesn't do anything minus reversing a position, and when he did get on top Penn stood up right after.

You're trying to debate laying against a cage + 50 seconds on the ground on top is more important than Penn also pinning Fitch against the cage for a little while, taking him down, getting his back, and nearly sinking in the choke.

The judes saw it the same as me, the same as quite a few other people as well, so no worries.
 
#195 ·
Getting 1 arm around his neck in back control is very simple. Fitch ha control the whole time and it was just a matter of time before he reverses.

The judges were also the dumbest judges i have seen in a long time. So gratz that you share an opinion with those uneducated retards.

Oh and Fitch also landed a good High kick.
 
#194 ·
How on earth are people making an arguement that Fitch won round 2? His TD at the start was because BJ went for that knee and BJ just shrugged him off, BJ than defended Fitch's TD turned around and took Fitch down with authority and took his back which is considered a very dominant position, Fitch rolled out and ended up in BJ's guard but A that was not nearly as dominant a position as BJ had and B it was not because he took BJ down. rolling over into BJ's guard is not an offensive manuver that should score points its a defensive manuver because your opponent gained a dominant position. Do you guys score points for a fighter who is on his back and regains full guard from half guard? BJ clearly won the first two round every bit as clearly as he lost the third 10-8. That was a picture perfect draw.
 
#200 ·
>Ignores Fitch's big shot standing (biggest one of the fight)
>Ignores Fitchs striking inside the clinch
>Ignores Fitch's ground and pound in guard
>Ignores Fitch out striking Penn by quite a margin in the round
>Profit????????
 
#201 ·
Yes, because Fithtmetric stats on a fight that took place only against the cage except when Penn put Fitch down and nearly chocked him out, means Fitch won.

I just saw the fight, I'm not blind, I score chokes, takedowns and dominant positions more than I score pitter patter shots agains the cage. I'm just cray like that.
 
#220 ·
Ok BJ fans, i give up trying to convince you he clearly lost.


Can i convince you that BJ will never be WW Champ again??



Can i convince you that if he fought Fitch in a 5 rounder he would get finished or quit???



small victories. Fitch style :p
 
#226 ·
Can i convince you that BJ will never be WW Champ again??
Yesterday I would have believed you after he just went to a draw with the #2 WW in the world I still lean that way but I am not nearly as confident in that.


Can i convince you that if he fought Fitch in a 5 rounder he would get finished or quit???
Its hard to say, you need to be realistic about the fact that in a five rounder Fitch wouldn't have had that sense of urgency that brought out the animal in him that he ussually lacks.
 
#228 ·
Limba said:
One TD + one elbow + taking someone's back for 30 seconds does not equal winning a round!
Theres my point to, it doesn't mean a BJ round, but it definitely wasn't a fitch round either, that's where I found the draw in the fight in the 2nd, not in a 10-8 3rd. I guess everyone just has to agree to disagree on this fight.
 
#236 ·
We could go on for days...wich will happen for some people.

I will stick to what i believe: Fitch should have won this.
Close decision, but i think he did more damage and controlled the fight more than BJ did.
Plus, the last 7-8 minutes of the fight were all Fitch.
The first 7-8 minutes were 50/50..maybe 60/40 BJ.

In the end, i am quite glad it's a draw.
Neither guy deserves a shot at GSP.
Maybe if GSP vacates the belt, but other than that...NO!
 
#230 ·
Anyway, respect fo BJ for fighting into Fitch stregth and taking the fight to him.
Also - tons of fair play from him after the fight.
My respect for him has gone way up!

Fitch - not much to say about him.
Same old Fitch. On tough dude, gotta give it to him.

After watching this fight, all i can say; if Shields doesn't beat GSP - no WW will!!!

Only way GSP loses his title is if he vacates it or retires!
 
#231 ·
Fitch would have won in a 5 rounder, Penn was pretty dang tired at the end there, and Penn would also not beat GSP if they fought again, cause it would be 5 rounds and GSP is a level above Fitch.

However, in this fight, I stand by Penn winning R1 and R2, then got dominanted in R3 to draw it. The judges feel so, I feel so, quite a few people actually feel so.

Difference in how each person scores a fight, it happens, and is nothing to get in a toss over, so not a warning or anything, but just a reminder for everyone to keep the debate clean and civil, it's just a difference in how one would socre a fight.
 
#244 ·
BJ executed a horrible gameplan, yet again.

He tried to wrestle head to head with someone bigger and stronger than him.

His corner gave him hall of fame worthy crappy advice(as it always does): "fast punches, fast punches".

He got Fitch down & immediately went for the finish when he probably would have been better off taking things step by step and wearing Fitch down a little before trying to sink in the sub.

Penn also stood directly in front of Fitch the entire fight which is a pretty dumb move. He probably would have done better if he moved more and gave Fitch angles like he did with Hughes.

Seems like Penn is a very good fighter, but his training staff and corner don't have the same level of sophistication or training that Fitch does. They come up with the dumbest fight plans known to man. And, at some point in his fights against Edgar and Fitch, it seems like Penn realizes hes being out-classed and neither he nor his corner has an answer.

I thought Fitch won. Although, I was hoping Penn would pull the upset.
 
#262 ·
BJ executed a horrible gameplan, yet again.

He tried to wrestle head to head with someone bigger and stronger than him.

His corner gave him hall of fame worthy crappy advice(as it always does): "fast punches, fast punches".

He got Fitch down & immediately went for the finish when he probably would have been better off taking things step by step and wearing Fitch down a little before trying to sink in the sub.

Penn also stood directly in front of Fitch the entire fight which is a pretty dumb move. He probably would have done better if he moved more and gave Fitch angles like he did with Hughes.


Seems like Penn is a very good fighter, but his training staff and corner don't have the same level of sophistication or training that Fitch does. They come up with the dumbest fight plans known to man. And, at some point in his fights against Edgar and Fitch, it seems like Penn realizes hes being out-classed and neither he nor his corner has an answer.

I thought Fitch won. Although, I was hoping Penn would pull the upset.
why are you commenting like someone that hasnt watched penn before? There is a reason he immediately went for a sub when he took fitch down and its the same reason he stood infront of fitch the whole night rather than imitate frankie edgar and its because......wait for it....those things are physically taxing.BJ penn doesnt have the mentality or cardio to grind fights out he looked for the shortest route to end the fight and still got tired..Has nothing to do with bad gameplans/trainers
 
#245 · (Edited)
Personally, I saw the 2nd round as a draw and the 3rd round as 10-9, but I can understand giving BJ the 2nd and 10-8 for the 3rd.

Round scoring aside, I feel that Fitch really won, because I think the later rounds should count more, and I could even see possibly giving him the 2nd too.

If this was a 5 rounder BJ would have been finished.
Fitch vs Penn is an awesome SUPER FIGHT between 2 championship caliber fighters. And as such, they should go 5 rounds. A finish would have been a much more satisfying ending than a close decision.

I absolutely loved this fight and am excited for a rematch. Not sure if a lot of people felt the same way though. 5 Rounds for the rematch!
 
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