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***OFFICIAL*** B.J. Penn vs Jon Fitch Pre/Post Fight Discussion

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#3 ·
All Jon Fitch does is take people down and win via LnP, but he wont be able to do that against Penn's outstanding TDD and balance. Ill take Penn via UD in this one...
It's exactly what he will do, IMO

gotta go UD for Fitch. Really no other choice unless Penn can rock him before he gets taken down.
 
#5 ·
This is such a strange match up. I both love it and hate it. I love it because of the possibility of Penn winning by dazzling the fans with his BJJ wizardy or flash KO. But deep down inside I know "YAWN" Fitch is lurking. I swear if I see the lay n pray plan in action I'm going to down a beer then go outside and smoke my cigar till the fight is over.

Fitch is garbage. He's one of those gamers who runs the clock just to waste time because he's ahead on the score card. If it's super close it's understandable, but that's his game plan EVERY SINGLE FAWKING TIME. I hate that kind of garbage tactic. Finish your opponent already. You might say the same about GSP. At least GSP mixes it up and lands some pretty sweet combos and has some submission attempts.

The whole world will be watching for BJ to do what he does best. Get the back, sink in the hooks, and go for the RNC.
 
#18 ·
This is such a strange match up. I both love it and hate it. I love it because of the possibility of Penn winning by dazzling the fans with his BJJ wizardy or flash KO. But deep down inside I know "YAWN" Fitch is lurking. I swear if I see the lay n pray plan in action I'm going to down a beer then go outside and smoke my cigar till the fight is over.

Fitch is garbage. He's one of those gamers who runs the clock just to waste time because he's ahead on the score card. If it's super close it's understandable, but that's his game plan EVERY SINGLE FAWKING TIME. I hate that kind of garbage tactic. Finish your opponent already. You might say the same about GSP. At least GSP mixes it up and lands some pretty sweet combos and has some submission attempts.

The whole world will be watching for BJ to do what he does best. Get the back, sink in the hooks, and go for the RNC.
Dont even try to kid yourself when you say that Fitch is garbage just because you dont like him. It takes skill and heart to get ahead on the scorecard and then stay ahead for 10-15 minutes.

On topic.

1. Fitch's cardio is better he's going to outwork Bj all 3 rounds

2. Penn has trouble ko'ing people who have good chins, when he realises that Fitch has one he's going to try to sit there and jab his way all the way to a ud because thats all he has left

3. Fitch is the 1st 2nd best ud'er in the ufc he has single/double legs and clinch takedowns on top of being bigger and stronger then Penn, he's going to throw Penn's jab plan in the can with no problem.
 
#16 ·
Hmmm....a real big WW with good wrestling. Fitch will Fitch him and out work him.

Boy is this card the suck. Can't believe they didn't give it to us free.
We're getting Kampmann/Sanchez for free though. Guess it balances things out. I'd love to see another KO or suc for Penn, but yeah, going with the majority on this one. A LnP victory for the bigger WW Fitch is definately the most likely outcome. Shame. Come on Baby J, kill him!!!
 
#11 ·
I'm rooting for Penn but don't really want to see either guy against GSP again. Georges is too big for Baby Jay and too skilled for Fitch. Barring a lucky shot both bouts will be a repeat of the previous one.

Back on topic, Fitch will have BJ exhausted within a couple rounds and I see him finishing Penn early in the third.

If anyone would like to sig bet against Fitch finishing this fight let me know:thumbsup:
 
#14 ·
I really don't see BJ subbing Fitch. Has he ever sub'd anyone off his back?

BJ could catch Fitch, but I doubt he puts him away. Fitch is one tough dude. He did pretty well with a versatile striker in Alves.

I see a decision win either way. I just thik Fitch has a better gas tank, is much bigger...hell he is bigger than GSP, and I see Fitch getting him down. BJ has good TDD, but it is overrated. Sure shrug off Diego Sanchez or Florian. He didn't shrug off GSP and Frankie got him down.

I don't like this fight much at all. Seems weird. Why put an exciting fighter in there with Fitch? Are they seriously going to push Penn-GSP III if he were to win? This card should of been free.
 
#15 ·
This fight gives me headache.

Im fan of BJ as a fighter and I dont like his attitude.
Im fan of Jon´s attitude and not him as a fighter.

I love how naturally untalented guy with great spirit makes it to the elite of one of the hardest sport, speaking of Jon of course.

I would rather see Fitch vs GSP than BJ vs GSP. He has better chance to win agains him than BJ. IMHO

I would love to see Fitch finish BJ. That would be statement.
 
#20 ·
There is 0% chance that Fitch finishes Penn. Fitch couldn't finish my grandma. While I think logically this is Fitch's fight for some strange reason that convinces me that Penn is gonna lay a beat down. Logic says Fitch, my heart says Penn but either way I would rather watch BJ/GSP 3 than Fitch/GSP 2. That fight is completely unnecessary until Fitch proves he can do something besides take guys down and lead blanket them.
 
#19 ·
Fitch isnt the same calibre of fighter as the likes of Penn or other great champions. He just doesnt have that X-factor, he was never destined to be a champion and he never will be one.

This isnt mike pierce, paulo thiago or diego sanchez fitch is fighting now, its BJ Penn, a different animal all together.

I think BJ is even going to go for take downs in this fight. His take down game and wrestling is under rated and under used, I think hes going to surprise a lot of people with it here.

He took frankie down 2/3 times, hes took a prime takanori gomi down with ease (who is a solid wrestler) or was.... he dumped florian on his ass like it was nothing. And he ALMOST took georgey boy down at one point.

Penn wins via being the superior fighter.
 
#192 ·
Fitch isnt the same calibre of fighter as the likes of Penn or other great champions. He just doesnt have that X-factor, he was never destined to be a champion and he never will be one.

This isnt mike pierce, paulo thiago or diego sanchez fitch is fighting now, its BJ Penn, a different animal all together.

I think BJ is even going to go for take downs in this fight. His take down game and wrestling is under rated and under used, I think hes going to surprise a lot of people with it here.

He took frankie down 2/3 times, hes took a prime takanori gomi down with ease (who is a solid wrestler) or was.... he dumped florian on his ass like it was nothing. And he ALMOST took georgey boy down at one point.


Penn wins via being the superior fighter.
BJ can take fitch down.

Fitch doesn't really have great TDD and BJ has seriously underrated TD's everyone always talks about his TDD but his offensive wrestling is just as good as his defensive, he took GSP down in the first fight and yes that was years ago but straight after GSP was stuffing hughes with ease and that was when matts wrestling was still some of the best.

Obviously it's very doubtful that he will be able to control fitch on the ground but if he utilizes it then he can throw fitch off a bit.
Even though BJ lost, just like to point out that we were the only two guys who expected Penn to go for take downs. :thumb02:
 
#21 ·
I'm taking Penn, TKO 2nd round. Really difficult one though, Fitch definitely has a good chance. Been watching some of Penn's recent blogs and he's looking in shape, like he's packed on some more muscle.

Looking forward to the fight, think it's a really interesting match up - one of the most entertaining fighters to watch in the UFC against one of the least entertaining.
 
#22 ·
I do think this fight is incredibly interesting because really this is the fight BJ needs to win to have BJ/GSP 3 make any sense what so ever. IF BJ can overcome a great wrestler with a huge size advantage then his chances against GSP have to look substantially better then they did going into the bout.
 
#26 ·
Sure, if he stops a takedown or 2. But if he comes in and wins with his superior boxing then I don't see how it makes his chances look any better against GSP.

It's not like his boxing has gotten incredibly better since the last fight with GSP. So he comes in with the same chance. Having to catch and hurt GSP before he gets taken down.

Either way I don't want to see either fight GSP again. But if Fitch were to win he has earned his way back to a title shot. Hopefully GSP just moves up so we don't have to see this again.
 
#23 ·
I'm taking Fitch here but seriously this fight as a number 1 contenders fight makes no sense at all.

The only way i'd be happy about it is if Shields beats GSP or GSP moves to 185 permanantly after beating Shields cos Penn/GSP III and GSP/Fitch II do nothing for me at all.
 
#24 ·
One of the most interesting fights in a long time imo. these guys are like the exact opposites of eachother.
I'll be rooting hard for Penn to Beat the snot out of blanketman but my brain says blanket via ultraboring & claustrophobic UD.
No way in hell is Fitch finishing Penn, Fitch finishes nobody and Penn is damn hard to finish. I can't see Penn subbing blanket either, so I'd say either (T)KO first or second rount for Penn or UD for Fitch.
 
#28 ·
im really excited to be at this fight in sydney, it will be a packed house and it will be rocking like no other - ala ufc 110.Despite it not having the biggest names and losing condit wasnt great it will be huge for us aussies.

Im one of Bj's biggest fans but im finding only 2 ways to see this going down. 1. being the obviously bigger fitch wears him down for the decision or 3rd rnd TKO. 2. BJ needs to come out like his last fight, amped and hungry, if he does he could actually finish Fitch with a TKO or sub, god knows he hits hard enough for a smaller guy.

After back and forward if it doesnt go to a Fitch boring lnp decision - ill be shocked, i would like to be shocked !
 
#29 ·
Love BJ and want him to win, but this is one of the worst possible match-ups for him at WW. A big strong WW that likes to get down and wrestle as soon as possible.

Despite his abilities, BJ is always going to struggle with the above at WW, and I see Fitch by UD. Hope I'm wrong, even though I quite like Fitch.
 
#31 ·
Going to be a good fight.

Fitch will be overwhelmed striking, so he will auto go for the TD. This fight purely depends on if Fitch can get the TD early or not. If he can't get it early, he's going to get beat up standing until he can get it.

If Penn comes into the fight with very solid condition, he'll be able to stuff the TD for a good while. Penn has some of the best TDD in the world and it took GSP a round and a half to wear Penn out and get him down, and Penn wasn't in good shape at all. Penn comes in good condition = Penn can stuff the takedown long enough to win the first two rounds, then there's no way Fitch can finish him in the third.

Hell, Penn can rock him and put him away, he does have ridiculous power when he connects right for being such a small guy.

Anywho, point is, if Penn can stuff the TD he wins, if he can't he loses. That's what this fight will depend on.
 
#32 ·
I think Penn will be prepared to be on his back and unlike GSP did, Fitch doesn't tend to do damage from the top which means Penn can go to work without worrying about being to damaged.
 
#33 ·
I don't think Penn can do enough off his back to threaten Fitch.

I don't think in a million years Fitch can hurt or finish Penn, but I can't remember the last time Penn subbed someone from the bottom. In fact, I think the last time he even attempted it was against Pulver 4 years ago.

Fitch has really, really good sub defense, and the only thing I can see Penn doing from his back is what he normally does, which is sweep and try to stand back up, but if he can't, it'll be a decision win for Fitch.
 
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