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View Poll Results: Who wins?

Michael Bisping 18 40.91%
Lee Murray 26 59.09%
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:28 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I voted Bisping but it's not something easy to determine, ASilva certainly wasn't at his current level when Murray took him the distance, but we don't know how Murray would have evolved.
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:45 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Dont know how its possible to tell that Murray " would have been mid tier ". The sport evolves as do the fighters with different camps, techniques and such If i remember the Early Bisping hardley did takedowns at all and was just a pure striker. But as this is the Bisping of today vs The before heist Murray would have to go with Bisping.
I agree with you, and was pretty much going to reply the same thing. Back then, fighters were not as well rounded as they are now, and if Murry had stayed in the game he would have evolved and probably would have been a champ in the UFC or another organization.
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Old 02-24-2011, 12:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I agree with you, and was pretty much going to reply the same thing. Back then, fighters were not as well rounded as they are now, and if Murry had stayed in the game he would have evolved and probably would have been a champ in the UFC or another organization.
Even at that time wrestling and grappling were very important and Murray had no significant training in wrestling/BJJ/Judo. He was in his mid twenties when he was doing MMA, that is very late to start learning wrestling/grappling. He had some sub wins so maybe he wasn't clueless on the ground but I don't know how anyone can think he would have been a champion with his limited grappling/wrestling/tdd. Look how effortlessly Doerkson beat him and Doerkson isn't exactly a top tier guy and wasn't then either.
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In a real fight Murray would kill bisping. In a sanctioned mma fight though.. I gotta go with bisping as much as I hate to say it.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Lee Murray would lose a decision. People seriously overrated him because of his outside of the octagon accomplishments. He hasnt done much in mma when the sport was in a weak period. He certainly wouldnt do better now. Bisping takes a decision pretty easy.
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Old 02-24-2011, 03:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Murray would KO him on the streets then proceed to rob his house.
haha.. i agree.

Murray is my idol. He grew up in the streets and honed his craft there, not in the gym. He's the kind of person i would hang out with in real life. Not these snooty, upper middle-class kids who pay for their fight lessons.

Murray will always be an OG and hero.

WAR Murray !
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Lee Murray was kicking ass and taking names while Bisping was just coming up in the game. Different generation...

If Bisping was a contender at that time they would have encountered each other already. Fast forward to the present had Lee continued with his MMA training I still think he would beat Bisping largely due to two things; one his experience and two his street mentality. You can not teach that. Sure he was getting beat up by Anderson Silva, but he didn't give up. He stayed in there while everybody else was getting KTFO like Fryklund, Stout, and Rivera in Cage Rage.

In fact Bisping and the new crop of UK fighters owe their allegiance to the pioneers although he may not have been the perfect role model.

Lee Murray is one of those fighters where you just think, "what if..."
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:50 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Just watched the UFC 127 card about an hour ago.

Change my mind, Lee Murray, no doubt in my mind - not even paying attention the cheap stuff from Bisping.

Bisping V Rivera compared to Murray V Rivera. Even if you put aside the age factor for Rivera and UFC 127 - Murray was better than Bisping ever has been (and probably will be).

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Murray's hype is mostly born off the incident with Tito (because Tito was the champion and UFC poster boy at the time)

I agree his hype is built up a lot more than he actually ever achieved in the cage.

He has one notable victory on his CV against Rivera (who can't be considered top competition) and a loss to Silva in which he was not knock out or totally outclassed.

Other than that he is far more infamous than he is famous, all the key moments that relate to him are scandles. Stabbed outside China Whites, Fight in alley with Tito and finally caught robbing money and jailed in Morocco.

The bottom line is Bisping has had a great deal more sustain actual success and has been performing on the top level where as Murray never really transcended the lower level Cage Rage status (ok he had a fight in the UFC but that was on the back of his Tito fame more than actual achievement)

So I say you have to give Bisping the edge, we don't really know how good Murray was or could have been because he never had enough fights against top competition to prove his worth.
This, Murray's incident with Tito and his incarceration has made him a larger than life character and his mma abilities have become grossly exaggerated.
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