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bones is an anomaly, its not like any bum can come into MMA and be a world champ 24 31.17%
yes, it would be bad for MMA to have a guy so inexperienced be the champ 2 2.60%
it doesnt matter how long someone trains, if the guy's a good fighter he's a good fighter 30 38.96%
its like the brock situation all over again 6 7.79%
haters gonna hate 15 19.48%
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This a stupid question, seriously. Why feed the guy cans? If he can beat the top guy (the champ), then he undoubtedly deserves to wear that belt.

Seems like common sense would answer this question.
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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apart from matt serra ????????

ok matt serra too
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I'm having a tough time working out your fav fighter Limba...
Really hard to figure that out!

But seriously, i've said the same things about GSP for example, wich i consider the best Mixed Martial Artist in the world at this moment.
That guy travels from one continent to another to train with the best people in different styles. Always looking to get better and better, even if it's just a small improvement.

Also, i could say the same thing about Cain, Aldo, Cruz or Edgar...or any other fighter. I think they would fit that description almost 100%.

But, idk...with Jones i feel it's a bit different.
When you think of the fact that he had his first MMA training 3 years ago. And 1 year later he beat Bonnar, in the UFC.

His approach towards MMA is unique imo. Sometimes he comes across like a *MMA psychologist*. (something like that)
He admitted he gets obsessed with his opponents and wants to learn everything about them.

I just believe he has all the attributes necessary, to succed.
It's up to become a champion and one of the best ever!
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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In my opinion, it looks bad for people outside the Mixed Martial Arts community. Obviously, we all know this guy is an anomaly but, to other they think he's just some run-of-the-mill fighter. It also can used to show that MMA is still in the 'no holds barred' region. Basically, I'm saying that it shows you need very little trainer to become an 'Ultimate Fighter' as most people say.
When people start using Jones as evidence, it can argue that MMA is televised street fighting.
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jones is a whole different breed of athlete tho

some people are just born talented with a reach like that

but no one is born a champion
to beat shogun hes gunna have to work to beat him
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In my opinion, it looks bad for people outside the Mixed Martial Arts community. Obviously, we all know this guy is an anomaly but, to other they think he's just some run-of-the-mill fighter. It also can used to show that MMA is still in the 'no holds barred' region. Basically, I'm saying that it shows you need very little trainer to become an 'Ultimate Fighter' as most people say.
When people start using Jones as evidence, it can argue that MMA is televised street fighting.
You might be right, BUT....that goes for those people who don't understand this sport and how much it evolved in the last years.
I call those people - ignorants!

PS: all those people who think you don't need much training and a lot of time, in order to succed in MMA - are welcomed to try their luck in MMA and go against a mid level fighter lol
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:07 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm really getting sick of topics like these...utterly sick of them.

Pretty much every dude looking for attention/a reaction makes some ridiculous topic talking about someone or something is "bad for the sport".

As if ESPN will just go live as soon as Jones wins and announce "Jones has just won the title, how ridiculous that a 13-0 fighter won a world championship! He could've at least been 15-0 or 16-0 like Machida or Rashad!, what a joke MMA is! You know what, we are canceling MMA Live! Oh, and Canada has just reconsidered its sanctioning of it. The sport is a joke. HAHAHAHHA!..13-0 guy winning a title...WOOOOO! Kneeslapper! Dana had us all fooled! Back to you Dan!"

13 fights is far from normal for contending for a title shot. Mind you, most people don't get there in 3 years, but Jones has been fighting and had advanced a lot quicker than most dudes. Most dudes don't even TAKE 13 fights at his age, let alone win them, most being in the top org in the world.

Also, boxing?

Leon ******* Spinks...a 6-0-1 guy beat the greatest HW champion(past prime but didn't matter, he was still the champ) in the history of the sport.and not because he was some prodigious virtuoso. Just because he was pretty damn fortunate and ended up losing a rematch to 100 years old Ali and never doing shit ever again. Of course...that was "bad for the sport"..as we all remember the tarnished legacy of the so called greatest fighter in boxing.


As for basketball, dudes have been recruited from random places in Africa just because they were tall then became NBA players.

Hakeem Olajuwon, one of the greatest players to ever play, was essentially recruited for college on a ******* soccer field, and had never even picked up a basketball before then.

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I cannot see how this could possibly be bad for MMA! Jones is a good fighter and is very popular among the crowds. Exactly how would that reflect badly on MMA?
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Brock Lesnar was 1-1 in the UFC and had only 3 fights when he won the title, NOTHING can be as purely ridiculous as that.

Jones is 13-0 and has beaten some seriously tough guys easily, he deserves the shot.

Exactly JBJ isn't your normal person and it will show that Natural Talent to his level can be greater to the extent that he can beat guys that should have WAY better skills and trained more hours then he was born, and still get ran right through...

Its amazing, i dont see him anything like Bruce Lee but i think he is a perfect example of what Bruce Lee taught about to be the perfect type of fighter. To be like water and have No Style, and Limitless is your Limit,
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The hybridization of the sport has already begun.

Generation 1 was style vs style. Since the beginning of time till 1993.
Generation 2 was the beginning of the amalgation of the ground and striking techniques. 1995 - 2000
Generation 3 2000 - 2007 - was the well roundedness of ALL fighters.

Generation 4 2008 - Present - Incorporation of all techniques (BJJ, Muay Thai, Wrestling, plus other art forms), focus on conditioning, and executing tactical + strategical game plans.
Most MMA fighters are in this category now, but only Anderson Silva, GSP, and Jose Aldo have achieved mastery at this level.

Generation 5 - All of the above + extreme naturally physically gifted traits. High Intelligence Quotient. Extreme mental toughness. Strong faith in religion.
- JBJ ???

Generation 6 - Scientific breakdown of everything (nutrition, training, fighting, blood type, disease, genetics - EUGENICS) and molding of the perfect fighter at a very young age.

Jon Jones is a rare exception in that he his humble, naturally gifted, and has a stellar camp behind him. Brock was a brute who was quite one dimensional.

So my answer is no I do not believe it is bad for MMA at all. He respects the sport. However he is still green and has much to learn. I would like to see Shogun take this.
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