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Old 02-27-2011, 11:56 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Bisping said his son and everyone at his sons school saw the videos of Rivera taking the piss out of him, for me thats personal and taking it too far..
yea I get what your saying.

But then you go and do your talking with your fists, which he did and had already done when he chose to spit and talk shit.

His son and his son's friends will now see youtube vidoes of him spitting at someone and generally acting unprofessional.

What message does that send to his sons and the kids at his sons school?

If you ask me Bisping sets a poor example to his son.

Yea what Rivera did was personal and a bit childish, but this is the nature of the sport from time to time. Bisping is a public figure, in the fight game and things are going to be said and done. I could argue if he was so concerned about what his son and his son's peers could see on youtube then he would never have conducted himself the way he has since the Mark Hamil fight with things he has said and done (you can't have it both ways)

Did Rivera really do anything worse than Koscheck was doing to GSP? Or Rampage and Evans to each others face at times yet in all cases there once the fight was done a level of respect was shown, class and sportsmanship at the end of a fight.

Whatever goes into promoting a fight happens, its mostly for marketing sake or to try and get an edge over your opponent. A fighter shouldn't take it personally. I agree that sometimes things go too far, but that doesn't mean you should resort to their level, does it?

Lennox Lewis called Frank Bruno an Uncle Tom before their heavyweight title fight, that went too far and Lennox later said sorry, post fight though both fighters were respectful of one another.

Same with Tyson and Lewis, Tyson was calling Lewis a '***got" and saying he wanted his heart and even to eat his children. Did Lewis spit at Tyson? no, he knocked him the **** out when they fought and left the ring vindicated and with dignity.

Bisping could just as easily have done the same, Rivera talked the talk but then Bisping smashed him up and stopped him. He could have shook hands (or declined to) and then said to his son, "look son, this is how you handle a bully" or whatever words to the effect of showing your son you took the higher ground and did your talking where it really mattered.

The bottom line is Bisping has let his son down more by spitting and carrying on like a brat after the fight than anything his son could have seen on youtube by Rivera.
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:56 AM   #102 (permalink)
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What Hendo did in that fight wasn't right. But it was not an illegal strike. These are two entirely different scenarios.

That knee was obvious, blatant, and on purpose. He saw the chance to throw it, hesitated because he knew it was an illegal strike, then said screw and "bombs away".

He may have gone on to win the fight w/out that knee, but it is obvious if you watch the fight over (I've watched it three times now) that Jorge never recovered from it. That fight should have been stopped. I've seen 'em stopped for less.
mmm who you trying to convince?? Im just explaining to you what he ment buddy. No one said it was illegal.
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....er....were we watching the same fight? After the ref asked Rivera several times "are you ok to continue" and Rivera couldn't do much except give him a blank stare with glazed over eyes that fight should have been stopped and Bisping DQ'd. He was obviously not ok to continue. The only reason Mike won that fight in the manner he did is because Jorge NEVER recovered from that ILLEGAL and BLATANT knee. Bisping, yet again, let's his immotions rule his actions.
your taking what i said out of context.

My words were in reference to Bispings post fight antics, not the knee during the fight.
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Old 02-27-2011, 12:03 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Won the fight with ease? Apart from the few takedowns, I'd say he was losing the fight, and I'm certain the illegal knee had something to do with the loss. (quoting tkoshea)
Agree. But also agree that longer the fight lasted the better for Bisping because he had the cardio advantage.

But Bisping is still so overrated. He was getting lit up by a C level fighter. Yes C level. If Anderson is A level...Belfort, Marquardt, Belcher are B level....Jorge is a journeyman C level fighter.

Bisping was getting lit the hell up, so he had to go for TDs, because he couldn't stand with Jorge Rivera. He has a nice 22-3 record or whatever. When was the last time you saw that kind of record with so many fights in the UFC...and never have had a title shot? Heres the answer: because teh UFC gives him guys like Jorge to pad his record and keep him "in the mix". While Marquardt is taking on Palhares, Okami, and Sonnen.

Bisping has a padded record with few wins over top guys. Biggest cry baby I have seen. What a little girl who can dish it out but can't take it.
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Bisping said his son and everyone at his sons school saw the videos of Rivera taking the piss out of him, for me thats personal and taking it too far..
You really think Rivera's comments were that bad? I mean he was dressed up being silly. Brits must have some thin skin and must not deal with much bullying while growing up.

Rivera was in play mode trying to hype a dull co-main event. Sure get mad....but to throw an illegal knee, celebrate after like you just cleanly KO'd the guy, then yell at a dizzy opponent, then to spit at his corner?

So what if Rivera's family were watching and saw Bisping spit in their direction? That is ok? But some silly videos on the internet are way over the line?

Riiiight.
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You really think Rivera's comments were that bad? I mean he was dressed up being silly. Brits must have some thin skin and must not deal with much bullying while growing up.

Rivera was in play mode trying to hype a dull co-main event. Sure get mad....but to throw an illegal knee, celebrate after like you just cleanly KO'd the guy, then yell at a dizzy opponent, then to spit at his corner?

So what if Rivera's family were watching and saw Bisping spit in their direction? That is ok? But some silly videos on the internet are way over the line?

Riiiight.

if my kids came home saying they saw a video of some douchebag saying my wife has STDs...... they would hope im just spitting on them.


That is crossing the line, i never heard the comment til ppl mentioning it today and yea, F that.
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What bothers me is that he can't seem to be able to get over the fact that he lost, and lost decisively, to Wand. Every interview this man has, he feels the need to state that he only has one 'proper loss' at MW, and I just find it disrespectful. When people lose, they move on to the next fight. To say you believe you beat Silva each and every time someone puts a microphone in front of you is absolutely laughable at this point... move on, Michael.

Bisping vs. Okami for the title shot... Okami defeats the Count soundly, and we can end all of this ridiculous talk about Bisping being a top five MW, when he's barely a top ten.
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Old 02-27-2011, 12:15 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Agree. But also agree that longer the fight lasted the better for Bisping because he had the cardio advantage.

But Bisping is still so overrated. He was getting lit up by a C level fighter. Yes C level. If Anderson is A level...Belfort, Marquardt, Belcher are B level....Jorge is a journeyman C level fighter.

Bisping was getting lit the hell up, so he had to go for TDs, because he couldn't stand with Jorge Rivera. He has a nice 22-3 record or whatever. When was the last time you saw that kind of record with so many fights in the UFC...and never have had a title shot? Heres the answer: because teh UFC gives him guys like Jorge to pad his record and keep him "in the mix". While Marquardt is taking on Palhares, Okami, and Sonnen.

Bisping has a padded record with few wins over top guys. Biggest cry baby I have seen. What a little girl who can dish it out but can't take it.
Whether Bisping is over rated or not (I'm not sure how highly he is rated)

I don't see how you can agree with Leed's post?!?

Bisping was clearly too good for Rivera, whatever way you look at it.

Rivera landed one decent right hand, but Bisping was landing at will, he was sharper, stronger and quicker with better movement.

Bisping was mixing up his striking with take downs and ground control and as you say his Cardio advantage would have only meant him getting stronger as the rounds progress against an aging Rivera.

Rivera had a game plan consisting of this "hope bisping circles into your big right and lay him out like Hendo did"

You can't fight at this level of fighting and literally only be looking to land one punch.

The way that fight went last night I honestly believe Rivera's only chance to win it was if the ref had DQ'd Bisping after the knee.

I agree pretty much with your assessment of BIsping right now, he is not an elite fighter and he is the top of say the third tier of fighters in his weight class. Those looking to get into the mix for title contention (assuming top tier are champions and those worthy of winning titles and second tier are those who have proved themselves against top competition but either failed or not ready for title challanges)

That has to be the last of the fights the UFC can feed BIsping against less than top competition.

It's time to see what he is made of and how well he can continue to comepete against top fighters in the peak of their form.

I'm not sure how well he can do in the MW divison. He certainly looks more natural at the weight now than he did at first (no longer looking weight drained) I would give him no chance against Silva and you would make the other top guys favourite against him perhaps.

BUt he has to be respected, he has held his own against tough guys in the weight class above (performing well against former champion Evans is no mean feat) so you have to assume he is at least capable of throwing down with the biggest and best in this divison.

There is only the Henderson blip where he was completely destroyed, he has been at least competitive in every other fight and that includes the likes of Rashad and Wanderlei (in other words, Bisping is not a mug)
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if my kids came home saying they saw a video of some douchebag saying my wife has STDs...... they would hope im just spitting on them.


That is crossing the line, i never heard the comment til ppl mentioning it today and yea, F that.
But he didn't need to spit, or to talk shit.

He just knocked him out, that said everything.

Talk shit about my girl and I knocked you out, simple.

Bisping only disgraced his girl and his kids by spitting and acting like a prick infront of millions of tv viewers.
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Shit talking before a fight in mma is completely fine. It builds hype, gets both fighters pumped up, and everyone engaged.

After the fight, when both of you have punched each other in the face, is when true colors come out. Rivera was trying to hug Bisping, he obviously was defeated, and Bisping puts a finger in his chest and says, "go home loser." I lost what respect I had for Bisping right there. You just kneed him on the ground, and Tko'd him, shove your ego back up your ass.
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