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Old 02-27-2011, 06:55 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Wow i see banning people for sticking up for Bisping is in effect... Maybe i'll be careful here!

Seriously though Bisping was a bit of a moron last night the knee was stupid and could have cost him the fight and he let his emotions get the better of him. But seriously i think there is still a lot of fight politics going on. Who saw him spit apart from Rivera's corner? No-one, don't you think the ref or someone else octagon side would have seen it, suspicious if you ask me.

Also i do find it very hypocritical when people are acting like Bisping is the scum of the earth when they have the likes of Nick Diaz and Sonnen in their sigs... Mouthing off after a fight isn't ok but starting a brawl and trying to beat the shit out of someone is (when it wasn't even your fight!) I guess it's ok for Diaz cos he has a US passport though.
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:59 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Won the fight with ease? Apart from the few takedowns, I'd say he was losing the fight, and I'm certain the illegal knee had something to do with the loss. (quoting tkoshea)
I thought he was comfortable in the fight, I thought it was pretty much a mismatch.

Rivera landed one decent right hand but aside from that in my opinion Bisping was in control the whole time.

He took Rivera down with relative ease, generally won the stand up aside from one right hand Rivera landed.

How was he losing the fight? He was clearly winning the first round until the deducted point (which made it a 9/9 round) and post illegal knee strike he was even more dominant and finished Rivera comfortably.

I agree that the illegal strike effected Rivera, but how can you say he was losing the fight before the knee? he had taken Rivera down more than once and generally dominated the striking.

Rivera landed one decent punch and was swinging (hence appearing dangerous) without landing, but to me at least (and I am not a Bisping fan at all, despite being English) Bisping was pretty much in complete control the whole bout.
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Old 02-27-2011, 07:08 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I thought he was comfortable in the fight, I thought it was pretty much a mismatch.

Rivera landed one decent right hand but aside from that in my opinion Bisping was in control the whole time.

He took Rivera down with relative ease, generally won the stand up aside from one right hand Rivera landed.

How was he losing the fight? He was clearly winning the first round until the deducted point (which made it a 9/9 round) and post illegal knee strike he was even more dominant and finished Rivera comfortably.

I agree that the illegal strike effected Rivera, but how can you say he was losing the fight before the knee? he had taken Rivera down more than once and generally dominated the striking.

Rivera landed one decent punch and was swinging (hence appearing dangerous) without landing, but to me at least (and I am not a Bisping fan at all, despite being English) Bisping was pretty much in complete control the whole bout.
That's why said 'apart from the takedowns', because I thought that Rivera did a bit more in the standup battle. Overall, yes, he did lose the round. And, if I remember correct, he landed more than one right..
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That's why said 'apart from the takedowns', because I thought that Rivera did a bit more in the standup battle. Overall, yes, he did lose the round. And, if I remember correct, he landed more than one right..
Yes he did land more, but that right was the only significant punch.

So if you say yourself over all Bisping won that round how do you justify your previous statement that he was losing the fight in your eyes before the knee?
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Yes he did land more, but that right was the only significant punch.

So if you say yourself over all Bisping won that round how do you justify your previous statement that he was losing the fight in your eyes before the knee?
I said, that APART from the takedowns he was winning the fight, or in other words - he was winning the stand-up battle. Never I said that he lost the round.
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I said, that APART from the takedowns he was winning the fight, or in other words - he was winning the stand-up battle. Never I said that he lost the round.
no you said he was losing the fight

you were countering my suggesting that Bisping won the fight with ease and you said you had thought he was losing the fight.

Ok so you want to discount all the take downs and ground game? pretty stupid thing to do when it's a massive part of mma though isn't it?

I don't agree Rivera was winning the stand up aspect of the fight, not by a long shot. He landed one good right hand and he was swinging with intent yes, but check the numbers Bisping was landing more and controlling the pace of the stand up better (plus he was mixing it up with take downs and fakes when Rivera had nothing but hard right crosses hoping to land a hay maker)

Or maybe you would like to discount the stand up too?

I mean Rivera probably was winning the pre fight smack talking after all. (seems about as rational as discarding the take downs and ground control)

The bottom line is Bisping won the first round fairly comfortably and knee strike or not in the second round he picked Rivera apart, dismantled him until he dropped to his knees not even watching the punches that kept smashing into him.

It was a one sided match from the start and I can only conclude you wanted Rivera to win and watched the fight with bias eyes focusing soley on the good work of Rivera to form an opinion that he was competitive in the fight, because to me he was outclassed and pretty much dominated from start til finish.
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Im not a huge fan of Bisping myself but i didn't see that bit so i think thats very misleading.
With regards to the spitting, the Sherdog writer who was there said Bisping spit at Rivera's corner.

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I was loving Bisping when he said 'like that' after the knee to the head at the end of the round. If some prick started ripping the piss out of me out of nowhere with all his mates and saying my girl was a koala with clamydia I would seriously want to hurt that dude.
He never said his girl was a koala with clamydia. He implied Bisping screws animals.

If I call a guy a pig****er, and I have, that doesn't mean I'm calling his wife a pig.

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Seriously though Bisping was a bit of a moron last night the knee was stupid and could have cost him the fight and he let his emotions get the better of him. But seriously i think there is still a lot of fight politics going on. Who saw him spit apart from Rivera's corner? No-one, don't you think the ref or someone else octagon side would have seen it, suspicious if you ask me.
Cage side press seems to have seen it...

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Following the fight’s finish, the Wolfslair Academy product spat at the American corner and verbally taunted Rivera before eventually embracing the man he had just battered.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Bis...-Purpose-30457

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Bisping immediately rushes to and appears to spit at Rivera’s corner, and then comes back toward Rivera, who is still on the ground.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC...-by-Play-30295

And then there's Michael Bisping:

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"No, not at all. I was spitting on the floor to let him know what I thought of him," Bisping told MMA Fighting's Ariel Helwani in a UFC 127 post-fight interview. "I apologized for that, and I never want to act like that."
http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/02/2...suspen/?synd=1

So, he totally did spit... it's just what he was aiming at that he denies.

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Also i do find it very hypocritical when people are acting like Bisping is the scum of the earth when they have the likes of Nick Diaz and Sonnen in their sigs... Mouthing off after a fight isn't ok but starting a brawl and trying to beat the shit out of someone is (when it wasn't even your fight!) I guess it's ok for Diaz cos he has a US passport though.
I concur that both the Diaz brothers and Sonnen are douches. But please, enough with 'Bisping only gets hate because he's British.' talk. The vast majority give him hate because of his actions.
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Wow i see banning people for sticking up for Bisping is in effect... Maybe i'll be careful here!

Seriously though Bisping was a bit of a moron last night the knee was stupid and could have cost him the fight and he let his emotions get the better of him. But seriously i think there is still a lot of fight politics going on. Who saw him spit apart from Rivera's corner? No-one, don't you think the ref or someone else octagon side would have seen it, suspicious if you ask me.

Also i do find it very hypocritical when people are acting like Bisping is the scum of the earth when they have the likes of Nick Diaz and Sonnen in their sigs... Mouthing off after a fight isn't ok but starting a brawl and trying to beat the shit out of someone is (when it wasn't even your fight!) I guess it's ok for Diaz cos he has a US passport though.
I saw it.

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I concur that both the Diaz brothers and Sonnen are douches. But please, enough with 'Bisping only gets hate because he's British.' talk. The vast majority give him hate because of his actions.

I agree, I don't think it's an English thing at all.

Whenever I go to America (which is quite a lot) I met dozens of American's and I have never once encountered a single one who didn't complement me on my accent and say how they would love to go to London etc.

I don't think the American audience has an agenda against the English at all.

As for Bisping personally, if I remember correctly he was pretty well received when he won the TUF. People liked his personality in the house and he backed it up by winning the whole thing.

I saw him fighting during UFC 114 and I was the only English guy around and all the american's around me were booing a lot. Everyone one of them I spoke to said they hate him and hope Miller kicks his arse.

I suggest the main reason for this was the Hamil fight. The American fight fans thought Hamil was a clear winner and Bisping got a home town decision against an American fighter (you can understand the resentment of this surely?) plus on top of this he was talking smack about Hamil (someone who had the backing of most fans for his achievements inspite of being deaf etc)

From there on Bisping was placed in a pretty controversial position of captaining the UK team vs team USA in his next TUF appearance. He played the role of being the enemy captain well and he was getting under the skin of the Americans (this would have happened to pretty much anyone unless they behaved like GSP because of the fact he was opposing team USA)

So he got under peoples skin, his team won mostly everything and he was hardly gracious in victory. He was rubbing the American's noses in his teams victory and the reason this annoyed people because everyone was aware that his real challenge was still to come (one he failed pretty heavily against Henderson)

TUF is such a large platform for fighter personality and being in Bisping's position as an already hated captain of a team going against team USA is very very likely to only further enhance his role as the hated heel (much like Koscheck to the Canadian's before fighting GSP)

I don't think there is any anti English sentiment from American fight fans (or american's in general) Bisping just has a personality that has potential to be loved or hated and circumstances transpired after the Hamil fight and his Coaching role on TUF to make him hated more than loved (especially in America)

Koscheck, Tito have been in similar positions yet neither are ENglish. It's a matter of personality and how events unfold that dictate how you are perceived by the fans.
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