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post #21 of 38 (permalink) Old 03-03-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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Why not? He showed effective grappling by defending the sub easily and reversing the dominant position to do some ground and pound. BJ did nothing but grapple, why should grappling win you a round when you failed at what you were attempting.
Did Kalib Starnes beat Nate Quarry for avoiding all those shots? Its entirely defensive the only thing defending should get points is for defendig the TD because your dictating were the fight takes place which is displaying octagon control. Fitch gets points for reversing the dominant position but reversing somebody into there guard is not equal to taking somebody down and securing back mount which is considered the most dominant position you can attain.




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Did Kalib Starnes beat Nate Quarry for avoiding all those shots? Its entirely defensive the only thing defending should get points is for defendig the TD because your dictating were the fight takes place which is displaying octagon control. Fitch gets points for reversing the dominant position but reversing somebody into there guard is not equal to taking somebody down and securing back mount which is considered the most dominant position you can attain.
That is correct. Just as a loose example, in collegiate wrestling you don't get points for avoiding getting pinned after you've been taken down. You get points for a takedown, a reversal, or an escape. You even get points for a near fall....which is putting your opponent in danger of a pin. If there were near falls in MMA I suspect taking someone down, getting his back, and getting one arm under the chin would probably qualify.
Fitch did defend well... but he was in a predicament that he'd not otherwise want to be in. Two-on-one wrist control is the way to avoid that RNC and he did that well... but the points have already been scored in that you've been taken down and the guy has taken your back. ....if they scored it that way, I mean.
Now when he reversed, he would have gotten points back, but he never had Penn close to a sub, and in my opinion did very little damage to have been on top for so long in the 3rd round.

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i had 10-9 penn round 1
10-10 draw round 2
10-9 fitch round 3

= draw

this was way less controversial than the edgar-maynard II decision, there shouldn't be any controversy
Can the judge score a 10-10 round? Not arguing... just asking. I thought it was 10 points to the round winner and 9 or less to the round loser... not taking into account any sort of penalties that might be administered.... i.e.; you could wind up with a 9-9 round... 10 point to the round winner, who then had a point deducted for a foul...and 9 to the loser of the round, etc.

Anyway... just asking about the 10-10 potential.

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you guys seem to think bj was attempting a RNC for half of the round...watch the 2nd round again bj doesnt even get close to GETTING CLOSE to a RNC...he barley gets the back and already gets reversed

you guys are imagining the 1st round as the 2nd
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you guys seem to think bj was attempting a RNC for half of the round...watch the 2nd round again bj doesnt even get close to GETTING CLOSE to a RNC...he barley gets the back and already gets reversed

you guys are imagining the 1st round as the 2nd
Yeah? ...I admit, I only saw the fight once on the live PPV and don't have a way to review it. You may be right.

....I thought the first round was when BJ was on Fitch's back longer. ...the second round was when BJ got that little short elbow in that bloodied Fitch's nose?

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Yeah? ...I admit, I only saw the fight once on the live PPV and don't have a way to review it. You may be right.

....I thought the first round was when BJ was on Fitch's back longer. ...the second round was when BJ got that little short elbow in that bloodied Fitch's nose?

Someone post an animated GIF of the fight!
yeah, watching it live a scored the 2nd round for bj too...and im ashamed...i wanted bj to win, for some reason his accomplishments in the 1st gave us a biased view in the 2nd...its weird

but 2nd round he only gets his back for a couple of seconds, and before even attempting the RNC fitch reverses positions and pounds on him for the last minute

bj did bloody his nose, seemed like it was his shoulder that caused it actually, but i dont remember also, but he did get controlled for the majority of the round against the cage

and was taken down in the beginning, some ppl dont want to call it as a TD but it was, so both had 1 TD, but fitch controlled the fight and had a last minute pounding while bj didnt do much

i really wanted bj to win but i dont see how, under the current scoring system, that round could have gone to bj

under another one...i could see bj winning
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I saw it as a 10-8 for sure. I mean BJ did nothing, zero, nada in that round. Fitch took him down, completely controlled him, and beat Penn's head through the floor for the entire round. BJ just laid there and took it. That is a 10-8 if I ever saw it.

Fitch didn't win that round, he dominated it.


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That round was a 10-8.
That round also is the perfect example of why we need 10-7 score in mma.

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Are you serious? Fitch beat his head through the floor? LOL We must have watched a different fight. I'm glad you're not a judge. Fitch did dominate it but never hurt or had BJ in ANY trouble. It was FAR from a 10-8 round.
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I saw it as a 10-8 for sure. I mean BJ did nothing, zero, nada in that round. Fitch took him down, completely controlled him, and beat Penn's head through the floor for the entire round. BJ just laid there and took it. That is a 10-8 if I ever saw it.

Fitch didn't win that round, he dominated it.
10-7 is even funnier. Please don't make me laugh anymore, I can't handle it LOLOLOL

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That round was a 10-8.
That round also is the perfect example of why we need 10-7 score in mma.
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Dana White's opinion means shit when it comes to Fitch. He'll say anything to make Fitch look bad, even if he doesn't agree with it.

I'm willing to bet Fitch will get cut if he ever loses 2 fights in a row.
I agree with the thought but I don't think Fitch is losing 2 in a row anytime soon.

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personally I have it as 10-8 but I can see how someone can have it 10-9. Though Fitch dominated he didn't come close to finishing Penn. As for Dana, he just hates Fitch, haha
This is why it was most likely scored a 10-9 round. Whether you hate DW or not, like Fitch or not, the fact is that he hit him 130+times and didn't come close to finishing him.

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Fitch broke BJ's spirit in the 3rd. I would be money if you had asked BJ after round 2 he would have told you he was up 2 rounds.

I rewatched the fight and am still positive that BJ won round 2, what I am not as positive about is that Fitch deserved the 10-8, I would still personally give it to him but I could see how somebody could make the arguement for 10-9. Still think the right decision was made.
I agree with the first 2 rounds going to Penn, I don't think that Fitch did enough in the second to over come the control of Penn. Scoring the 3rd round a 10-8 is the only way this comes out a draw.

And the saga will continue until some sort of modified scoring system is enacted. (Baring the Ring decision, that was just a blatant display of pitiful judging.)

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