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Old 03-03-2011, 02:41 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Are you serious? Fitch beat his head through the floor? LOL We must have watched a different fight. I'm glad you're not a judge. Fitch did dominate it but never hurt or had BJ in ANY trouble. It was FAR from a 10-8 round.

10-7 is even funnier. Please don't make me laugh anymore, I can't handle it LOLOLOL
You´re deductive skills are not very accurate, are they?

I said the round was 10-8.
The reference to the 10-7 was in order to separate this kind of rounds from those like Maynard-Edgar round 1, for instance.

IMO it should be:

10-9 Reasonable advantage
10-8 Obvious domination (Fitch-Penn round 3)
10-7 Salvage domination, close to finish
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:47 PM   #32 (permalink)
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[/b]You´re deductive skills are not very accurate, are they?

I said the round was 10-8.
The reference to the 10-7 was in order to separate this kind of rounds from those like Maynard-Edgar round 1, for instance.

IMO it should be:

10-9 Reasonable advantage
10-8 Obvious domination (Fitch-Penn round 3)
10-7 Salvage domination, close to finish
truth^^

its really not fair to give a 10-9 for the third round and a 10-9 for the 1st round...wheres the logic in that?

we need 10-8 and 10-7 rounds
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truth^^

its really not fair to give a 10-9 for the third round and a 10-9 for the 1st round...wheres the logic in that?

we need 10-8 and 10-7 rounds
You don't judge fights on how you feel they should be scored, you judge them based on the criteria that is in place.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:30 AM   #34 (permalink)
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boxing and MMA are different beasts... you cant hand out a 10-8 so easily because you'll end up seeing stuff like a draw...

with only three rounds your basically telling me you have to dominate only one round to get a 10-8 and you're guaranteed a draw if judges score the other 2 rounds for the other fighter... you basically cant lose... and that does not make sense in MMA. 10-8 should be only for championship fights because there are more rounds but it should still be very rare to see one pop up.

the frankie v gray fight would be an example of a 10-8 in the first round. Frankie was pretty much done and got dropped on 3 separate occasions. he had wobbly legs and the only reason the ref didn't stop the fight was because it was for the belt.

now fitch laying on bj for four minutes without necessarily doing a lot of damage or going for submission attempts is not a 10-8...

if that were the case whenever someone slaps on a crucifix the round would be automatically a 10-8 no matter what. that would be ridiculous
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:49 AM   #35 (permalink)
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You don't judge fights on how you feel they should be scored, you judge them based on the criteria that is in place.
I concur. But under the current judging criteria put forth by the NSAC and supposedly carried by Marc Ratner (VP of Regulatory Affairs, former director of the NSAC) whenever the UFC goes overseas:

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M. Domination Criteria
1. A Judge may determine that a fighter dominated his opponent in a round. This can lead to a two point or more difference on a Judge's scorecard.
2. The definition of a dominating round is a fighter's ability to effectively strike, grapple and control his opponent.
3. A Judge may determine a round was dominating if a fighter was adversely affected by one of the following:
-knocked down from standing position by clean strike
-by submission attempt
-from a throw
-from clean strikes either standing or grounded.
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C. Point Totals
1. two fighters who draw are given a score of 10-10
2. the fighter who wins a round is given a score of 10-9
3.The fighter who dominates a round is given a score of 10-8 (a score of 10-7 is possible for a dominant round)
4.For each foul a fighter commits, a point is subtracted. This deduction can change a winning round to a draw. 9-9
I believe the round qualifies as 10-8. BJ was certainly adversely affected by the strikes so that's one prerequisite, and he was dominated by effective striking and control the entire round, which covers the other.

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boxing and MMA are different beasts... you cant hand out a 10-8 so easily because you'll end up seeing stuff like a draw...

with only three rounds your basically telling me you have to dominate only one round to get a 10-8 and you're guaranteed a draw if judges score the other 2 rounds for the other fighter... you basically cant lose... and that does not make sense in MMA. 10-8 should be only for championship fights because there are more rounds but it should still be very rare to see one pop up.

the frankie v gray fight would be an example of a 10-8 in the first round. Frankie was pretty much done and got dropped on 3 separate occasions. he had wobbly legs and the only reason the ref didn't stop the fight was because it was for the belt.

now fitch laying on bj for four minutes without necessarily doing a lot of damage or going for submission attempts is not a 10-8...

if that were the case whenever someone slaps on a crucifix the round would be automatically a 10-8 no matter what. that would be ridiculous
Draws are not a judge's concern. Accurately applying the official judging criteria is.

Laying on BJ for four minutes without doing a lot of damage? Did you see BJ hiding behind those sunglasses after the fight? Just because he bruises slowly, doesn't mean he didn't get hurt. He got hurt so bad his spirit was broken, as evidenced by his post-fight comments.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:14 PM   #36 (permalink)
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the criteria is broken for MMA.


they need a complete redux. Not only that, but many of the judges are from boxing backgrounds as well, which is unfathomable.
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You don't judge fights on how you feel they should be scored, you judge them based on the criteria that is in place.
What's the criteria that is in place that the judges use? I want an actual credible source, if you don't have a credible source to what the criteria ACTUALLY is then you're just another guy whose scoring the fighter on who he feels won the fight or what he thinks is the criteria used. Fights should be judges without bias, no criteria, just say who you feel won the fight don't play favorites. I feel Fitch won the fight.

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What's the criteria that is in place that the judges use? I want an actual credible source, if you don't have a credible source to what the criteria ACTUALLY is then you're just another guy whose scoring the fighter on who he feels won the fight or what he thinks is the criteria used. Fights should be judges without bias, no criteria, just say who you feel won the fight don't play favorites. I feel Fitch won the fight.
It depends where they are. All that is in the unified rules is this:

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The Committee maintains that the 10 point must system is still the preferred scoring method at this time. The 10 point must system is defined as follows:

All bouts will be evaluated and scored by three judges. The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded to the winner of the round and nine points or less must be awarded to the loser, except for an even round, which is scored (10-10).

Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense. Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense. Effective striking is judged by determining the number of legal strikes landed by a contestant and the significance of such legal strikes.

Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active, threatening guard.

Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler's attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking; taking down an opponent to force a ground fight; creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.

Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal strike or takedown.

Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or reversed while countering with offensive attacks.

The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the judges when scoring a round;

1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows dominance in a round;

2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;

3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
But some states have more. Nevada is the one I often look at, since more events are there than anywhere else, and the UFC VP of Regulatory Affairs is the former commissioner there:

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with talk over what judges are screwing who......how much do you really know about the scoring criteria?

the first place to look is the NSAC or Nevada state athletics commission here is some useful info.....



I put spoiler tags around it since it's a little long, and didn't know if everyone wanted to look at it.
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