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Old 03-03-2011, 11:39 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Aggression is one of those really annoying ones, but at the same time you can't eliminate it completely. Otherwise you could have someone literally counter punch and use footwork to win with points without ever being the aggressor or initiating a single encounter.

Then again I really do think Diego's aggression is being construed as successful striking here and was scored too highly.
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A razor thin decision in a closely contested fight is hardly a robbery, though I suspected we'd see talk of such. I'll not go over my breakdown for a 50th time, but I will say this... Martin was clearly the more technical fighter, but he obviously folded mentally when Diego got in his face, as he allowed himself to be bullied about and pushed back. It was fairly obvious by the end that he had more of an interest in back peddling while Diego rushed forward, and that obviously weighs on the judges.

People should also be thanking Diego for creating those wild exchanges, because you'd think that is precisely what today's modern MMA fan wants to see. Someone fights on the ground, and it's boring. Someone creates an opportunity for an exciting exchange, and it's purely aesthetic and shouldn't count for anything. Let's take a stance, people.
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Something is wrong with the sport when a guy wins a fight that face. Round 1 should br a 10-8 in hindsight for damage alone.

Plus, Diego's flurries looked way more impressive than they really were. Crap decision IMO. Judges swayed by Diego throwing wild
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I'd really like to see the fight metric score on how many of those punches of Diego's actually landed in round 3...
Problem is that Fight Metric won't account for how many landed clean and how many were at best glancing blows, Diego was throwing with bad intentions but Kampmann was landing clean over and over. Kampmann took the fight and and got robbed for the second time in two consecutive fights. Sucks cause I honestly think Kampmann is one of the best WW's in the UFC right now.

Diego just took a page from Leonard Garcia's playbook. Jackson must have told him to just swing as hard as he could without a care for accuracy or landing since it seems to serve Garcia so well.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:43 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Aggression is one of those really annoying ones, but at the same time you can't eliminate it completely. Otherwise you could have someone literally counter punch and use footwork to win with points without ever being the aggressor or initiating a single encounter.
What's so bad about that, some boxer's made career's off doing that and Machida made a career off doing that as well. If a guy is using superior footwork and timing to out-point you then he's out striking you.
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Problem is that Fight Metric won't account for how many landed clean and how many were at best glancing blows, Diego was throwing with bad intentions but Kampmann was landing clean over and over. Kampmann took the fight and and got robbed for the second time in two consecutive fights. Sucks cause I honestly think Kampmann is one of the best WW's in the UFC right now.

Diego just took a page from Leonard Garcia's playbook. Jackson must have told him to just swing as hard as he could without a care for accuracy or landing since it seems to serve Garcia so well.
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Did you give Diego any rounds?


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What's so bad about that, some boxer's made career's off doing that and Machida made a career off doing that as well. If a guy is using superior footwork and timing to out-point you then he's out striking you.
Then we end up with "awesome" matches like A. Silva vs. Leitis.

I like the idea of giving the fighters incentive to engage. I don't hate the idea of counter punchers...in fact I am Machida fan! But if it is say Machida vs. Cro Cop, and they both land equal strikes in terms of power accuracy etc, but CC is the aggressor, constantly being the one to engage first, constantly chasing the other one down, I think the aggressor should get the nod.
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The thing about Kampmann is he lost it in all three rounds.

Round 3 - he was gassed and bleeding, made it seem like Deigo had more damage than maybe he had.

Round 2 - it was a close round that had he gone for take downs or submissions he might have pulled it off.

Round 1 - He was winning but once he starting picking Deigo apart he was doing it in a counter punching mode. He could have pulled a 10-8 or a finish if he was aggressive.
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This is how I scored it:

1st round: Kampmann (pretty clear that this was his round)

2nd round: Sanchez (really close round that I could easily see Kampmann winning)

3rd round: Sanchez (close round but I think Sanchez did more work)
I don't think doing work matters when all the work you're doing is punching air and getting your mug mauled off. Aggression has to be effective aggression to score IMO. That was not effective (unless his game plan was to get lit the **** up)

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I like the idea of giving the fighters incentive to engage. I don't hate the idea of counter punchers...in fact I am Machida fan! But if it is say Machida vs. Cro Cop, and they both land equal strikes in terms of power accuracy etc, but CC is the aggressor, constantly being the one to engage first, constantly chasing the other one down, I think the aggressor should get the nod.
Totally agree with this. This is the case with what happened in Machida/Rampage. Both landed about the same amount but Rampage was the aggressor so he won. In this fight though, it's not the case. Diego landed nowhere near as many or as hard as Kamp. Like I said, Aggression needs to be Effective Aggression.

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The thing about Kampmann is he lost it in all three rounds.

Round 3 - he was gassed and bleeding, made it seem like Deigo had more damage than maybe he had.

Round 2 - it was a close round that had he gone for take downs or submissions he might have pulled it off.

Round 1 - He was winning but once he starting picking Deigo apart he was doing it in a counter punching mode. He could have pulled a 10-8 or a finish if he was aggressive.
I think with the busted hand in rd 3, his gameplan went out the window and he felt he had to avoid Diego as best he could. Diego definitely hurt him in rd 2, so I think with the injury, he gambled on being evasive and lost.
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I don't think doing work matters when all the work you're doing is punching air and getting your mug mauled off. Aggression has to be effective aggression to score IMO. That was not effective (unless his game plan was to get lit the **** up)
That was the same as I scored it myself. I do think though that Kammpman lost this fight more than Sanchez won it, it that's any concelation?
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