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Old 03-03-2011, 11:53 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The thing about Kampmann is he lost it in all three rounds.

Round 3 - he was gassed and bleeding, made it seem like Deigo had more damage than maybe he had.

Round 2 - it was a close round that had he gone for take downs or submissions he might have pulled it off.

Round 1 - He was winning but once he starting picking Deigo apart he was doing it in a counter punching mode. He could have pulled a 10-8 or a finish if he was aggressive.
All Kampmann had to do in round 2 was not brawl with Sanchez... I really think Kampmann is just stupid. He brawls when he shouldn't, doesn't go for a takedown when he needs one, goes for guillotine's when they aren't working(reason he lost the Shields fight imo), strikes against better strikers(Daley, Marquardt).

The guy has all the tools he just sucks at setting up a game plan and sticking to it...
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Then we end up with "awesome" matches like A. Silva vs. Leitis. I like the idea of giving the fighters incentive to engage. I don't hate the idea of counter punchers...in fact I am Machida fan! But if it is say Machida vs. Cro Cop, and they both land equal strikes in terms of power accuracy etc, but CC is the aggressor, constantly being the one to engage first, constantly chasing the other one down, I think the aggressor should get the nod.
Leites vs. Anderson is a different kind of fight because Leites was so clearly overmatched and even though Anderson is a counter-striker he could have put Leites away if he wanted to at least I believe he could have same with the Maia fight for some reason he chose not to. If there's a fight were every round neither guy engages then yeah aggression would be a nice tiebreaker but that isn't the case with this fight and I don't think technically sound counter-fighter's should have to move forward or get somewhat reckless to score points.

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Even though im a Diego fan boy i still scored it 29-28 Kampmann , he landed more and he landed the cleaner shots , i gave Diego round 3 for the takedown but still razor thin.

Usually i dont judge fights on cuts also but the fighters faces told the story of the fight , Diego got hit with more damaging shots.
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True enough.

Did you give Diego any rounds?


The third is tough because TD's carry so much weight with judges I could see an arguement made for Diego but I would still give it to Kampmann. I thought Kampmann took the second to but I actually missed the last minute of round 2 because I was watching a couple minutes delayed on my PVR and it quit recording so I switched to the live feed and they were just about to start round 3.

I honestly just have this image of Diego talking to Jackson in between rounds 2 and 3 and telling him he is out striking me and I can't take him down Greg what do I do? And Jackson telling him I don't know just go out and fight full on retard, Garcia does it all the time and doesn't listen to a god damn thing I say and somehow he wins.
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Leites vs. Anderson is a different kind of fight because Leites was so clearly overmatched and even though Anderson is a counter-striker he could have put Leites away if he wanted to at least I believe he could have same with the Maia fight for some reason he chose not to. If there's a fight were every round neither guy engages then yeah aggression would be a nice tiebreaker but I don't think technically sound counter-fighter's should have to move forward or get somewhat reckless to score points.
I totally agree. I think it should count, but only when it is effective, and even then it should be a significant factor in who wins. Certainly in this case tonight it seems like aggression > clean punches + damage.
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Aggression is one of those really annoying ones, but at the same time you can't eliminate it completely. Otherwise you could have someone literally counter punch and use footwork to win with points without ever being the aggressor or initiating a single encounter.

Then again I really do think Diego's aggression is being construed as successful striking here and was scored too highly.
Im sorry but a guy landing shots even if he is on the back foot is better than pushing forward.

Diego didnt win this fight , Rogan even called it.
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Sanchez vs Kampmann fightmetric

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/03/...-ufc.html#more

As I expected Kampmann gets the win from the 2nd round.

One thing I think the judges grossly overlooked(as well as hasn't been talked about yet in this thread) is Kampmann stuffing Sanchez's takedowns with ease in the 1st and 2nd. That alone should be worth some points as well.
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That was the same as I scored it myself. I do think though that Kammpman lost this fight more than Sanchez won it, it that's any concelation?
I think Kampmann had a great gameplan and executed it to near perfection, actually. He knew Diego was a wild striker who would just keep coming forward throwing loopy punches so he used his footwork and a big right hand and wrecked him all night. I don't think in anyway Kampmann lost that fight. The striking game isn't about who comes forward constantly, it's about who lands cleaner, more effectively and more damagingly. Kamp did all of those aside form being aggressive and throwing wild punches, which is smart because he had the perfect counter to Diego's striking. You DO NOT have to be aggressive to win in the striking game in this sport.
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The third is tough because TD's carry so much weight with judges I could see an arguement made for Diego but I would still give it to Kampmann. I thought Kampmann took the second to but I actually missed the last minute of round 2 because I was watching a couple minutes delayed on my PVR and it quit recording so I switched to the live feed and they were just about to start round 3.

I honestly just have this image of Diego talking to Jackson in between rounds 2 and 3 and telling him he is out striking me and I can't take him down Greg what do I do? And Jackson telling him I don't know just go out and fight full on retard, Garcia does it all the time and doesn't listen to a god damn thing I say and somehow he wins.
I believe it was the last minute of the second where Diego rocked Kampmann twice. Those strikes were the ones that swayed me in favour of Diego in round 2.

I would have continued to give Diego points had he kept Kampmann down in the third, but he pretty much just got back up. Plus Kampmann landed the punch in the third that made that disgusting cut under Diego's left eye, most likely the worst damage of the entire fight, so I gave it to Kampmann.

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Im sorry but a guy landing shots even if he is on the back foot is better than pushing forward.

Diego didnt win this fight , Rogan even called it.
I'm not sure what your getting at.
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I think Kampmann had a great gameplan and executed it to near perfection, actually. He knew Diego was a wild striker who would just keep coming forward throwing loopy punches so he used his footwork and a big right hand and wrecked him all night. I don't think in anyway Kampmann lost that fight. The striking game isn't about who comes forward constantly, it's about who lands cleaner, more effectively and more damagingly. Kamp did all of those aside form being aggressive and throwing wild punches, which is smart because he had the perfect counter to Diego's striking. You DO NOT have to be aggressive to win in the striking game in this sport.
In the first round I think he had a great gameplan, but not in the 2nd or 3rd, IMO. Honestly though, none of this upsets me, because I can see where either side could have gotten the win, so I'll just bow out of this one.
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