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post #41 of 111 (permalink) Old 03-04-2011, 01:04 AM
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I believe it was the last minute of the second where Diego rocked Kampmann twice. Those strikes were the ones that swayed me in favour of Diego in round 2.

I would have continued to give Diego points had he kept Kampmann down in the third, but he pretty much just got back up. Plus Kampmann landed the punch in the third that made that disgusting cut under Diego's left eye, most likely the worst damage of the entire fight, so I gave it to Kampmann.
Kampmann was sloppy as hell in the 3rd round. His strikes had no power and his takedown defense failed. Sanchez looked much fresher minus the mangled face. Had the fight of been a 5 rounder I think Sanchez would have won convincingly.
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I believe it was the last minute of the second where Diego rocked Kampmann twice. Those strikes were the ones that swayed me in favour of Diego in round 2.

I would have continued to give Diego points had he kept Kampmann down in the third, but he pretty much just got back up. Plus Kampmann landed the punch in the third that made that disgusting cut under Diego's left eye, most likely the worst damage of the entire fight, so I gave it to Kampmann.



I'm not sure what your getting at.
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" Otherwise you could have someone literally counter punch and use footwork to win with points without ever being the aggressor or initiating a single encounter"

And thats fine what counts is the guy landing shots.

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I don't think doing work matters when all the work you're doing is punching air and getting your mug mauled off. Aggression has to be effective aggression to score IMO. That was not effective (unless his game plan was to get lit the **** up)

Going with Pride's rules I would have given the fight to Kampmann.
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Going with Pride's rules I would have given the fight to Kampmann.
Going with any rules Kampmann won its a bad decision.

Volume of strikes landed as well as power shots > Aggression.

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Another case for main event's being 5 rounder's. Even though I like Kampmann more than Diego and thought Kampmann won the fight, if their were two more rounds no doubt Diego would have won. Kampmann slowed down immensely after the second.
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I have it:
rd1: Kampmann - clear winner
rd2: Diego - close. i think Kampmann may have landed more punches, but they were too soft and Diefo landed the biiger punches and rocked Kampmann
rd3: very close to call - pretty similar to the second rd: Diego threw more punches, but he missed a lot.
Kampmann landed some punches, but again, he was countering Diego's attacks and the punches didn't have too much stregth behinf them, regardless of how Diego's face looked after the fight. I think that damage was caused in the first and just agravated a bit in the 2nd and 3rd.

In the 3rd Diego left the impression of the aggressor, chasing Kampmann in the ring, he controlled the octagon, got once TD.
Plus Kampmann didn't do anything after he realised his arm is broken - last 60-70 seconds i believe.

I would give a very very close decision in the 3rd rd for Diego.

Thus a 29-28 decision victory in the end.

I think Diego's aggressiveness and him constantly moving forward in the 2nd and 3rd won him the fight in the end.

But no way is this decision in the same cathegory with Phan-Garcia or Fukuda-Ring!!!

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Kampmann was sloppy as hell in the 3rd round. His strikes had no power and his takedown defense failed. Sanchez looked much fresher minus the mangled face. Had the fight of been a 5 rounder I think Sanchez would have won convincingly.
Diego's face blew open in the third round from a straight right hand. Pretty sure that constitues having power. Also, Kamp defended 2 of his three TDs, which says to me his TDD didn't fail the majority of the time. FYI, Diego was 1 for 15 on takedowns.

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Going with Pride's rules I would have given the fight to Kampmann.
Yes but the UFC doesn't use damage as a judging criteria. Tonight though, the damage done to Diego was indicative of Kampmann out striking him in a big, big way. I'm not trying to say Kamp won because he did more damage, I'm saying he won because he made Diego look like a fool in the stand up during damn near every exchange.
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Well you said

" Otherwise you could have someone literally counter punch and use footwork to win with points without ever being the aggressor or initiating a single encounter"

And thats fine what counts is the guy landing shots.
I agree. But in an extreme example fighter x could land several shots in the first ten seconds of a round then just "run away" for the rest of the round and win on those first shots technically (i know this would never actually happen but it is important to look at technicalities when discussing rules).

You are right, what counts is landing shots, but if everything else is exactly equal (shots landed, power, damage) then I think aggression should be the deciding factor.


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This is right up there with one of the worst decisions in the UFC. Kampmann won every round easy. Diego landed maybe 2 or 3 hail mary's and a takedown which lasted about 3 seconds. The rest of the fight was Kampmann stuffing takedowns and being pinpoint accurate with strikes. When is the last time you saw a face like Diego's that messed up? I'm not sure what fight some of you were watching. What a joke!!
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Compustrike has it:
- rd 1 all Kampmann of course
- rd 2: 33-18 Kampmann in strikes and 19-15 in power strikes
- rd 3: 34-19 strikes for Kampmann, but 17-14 power strikes in favor of Diego.

I don't know...
I'm waiting to see Fightmetrics stats.

My impression is: very close fight!

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