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Old 03-04-2011, 10:39 AM   #11 (permalink)
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LOL Kneebar or heel hook...what would you preffer?!

Fact! Palhares is scary! Him vs Maia would be EPIC, but i don't think it will happen, unless it's for the title or a number 1 contender's fight.

As for him dropping down. I honeslty don't know. It's a subject that has been discussed on MMAF and other forums about a lot of fighters: Evans dropping to MW, Cro Cop dropping to LHW, Maia to WW...
As far as i'm concerned, if one fighter drops down a weight class and makes that division much more interesting -
But not if the weight cut affect his performance in any way. (Like Irvin dropping to MW - i don't wanna see something like that ever again!
You are right, Palhares has a lot of muscles on his frame, especially the uper area - his back, his arms, his shoulders - and those muscles offer him strength/power, wich he needs for his submissions. Losing a lot of muscles results in losing strength. I know the feeling.
He can't afford it, imo.


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I believe he belongs at MW and could make a run for the belt later this year or beggining of next year. Depending how things work out in the division and what the UFC's plans for him are.
god damn! you know hes huge but looking at these pics...holy...henderson looks like a kid next to him...how this man doesnt gass just walking to the octagon is incredible!

i really dont see how you can escape a sub from this monster...he might be the true jacare......i really hate how stupid he was in the marquardt fight...i think that was his fight to lose, or maybe we are hyping him too much

but a guy with a ground game so dangerous deserves the hype!
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well the facts are he is 5"8

looking at the top fighters in the WW division

GSP = 5"10
Fitch = 6"
Kos = 5"10
Alves = 5"9
Kapamann = 6"0
Sanchez = 5"11
Penn = 5"9
Shields = 6"0

The fact is he is shorter than even BJ Penn, without looking I bet Jose Aldo is taller.

he coudl still stack a load of muscle at 170lb, more than most at 170lb and I bet still be the stronger man.
You really wanna see him at 170, don't you?!
He would rip off some limbs...no doubt in my mind :P

But in the end, it's up to the fighter himself to decide if he can or can't drop a weight class.
Fighters know their body best and they decide what weight class suits them best.

As a MMA fan, i couldn't care less: the more exciting match-ups, the better.
We can only speculate about a fighter's ability to move up or down in weight, without having big implications on his health and performance.
I just don't wanna see fighters jeopardise their health, just to please the fans and or a certain boss of a certain fighting organisation (doesn't matter wich one that is).

For now, Palhares has a lot of great fights waiting for him at MW. I don't think there is an interest from his to drop down. Especially when he is destroying guys like this. (minus the Marquardt loss of sense).

I will admit though: it would be fun to see some of the WW panic when entering the cage against him.

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god damn! you know hes huge but looking at these pics...holy...henderson looks like a kid next to him...how this man doesnt gass just walking to the octagon is incredible!

i really dont see how you can escape a sub from this monster...he might be the true jacare......i really hate how stupid he was in the marquardt fight...i think that was his fight to lose, or maybe we are hyping him too much

but a guy with a ground game so dangerous deserves the hype!
Henderson is taller, by 5 inches. That is the main explanation for that pic. Plus, he is a very compact fighter at 185.

Huge back, huge arms and big/wide shoulders give Palhares the strength for his submissions. Once he gets a hold of a limb - it's almost certainly BYE BYE!
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:48 AM   #13 (permalink)
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god damn! you know hes huge but looking at these pics...holy...henderson looks like a kid next to him...how this man doesnt gass just walking to the octagon is incredible!

i really dont see how you can escape a sub from this monster...he might be the true jacare......i really hate how stupid he was in the marquardt fight...i think that was his fight to lose, or maybe we are hyping him too much

but a guy with a ground game so dangerous deserves the hype!
Not really he fcuking was owning Nate, even in the stand up he had Nate on the back foot, and the worse think still is that not only had be had his mind on the fight would Nate not of got the TKO but he woudl probably not of even gone anywhere near Palhares on the floor had he been set ready to pull guard, Nate would of let him back up to his feel unless he was feeling suicidal.

And further still it a fcuking early stoppage, Palhares was not hurt by Nates GnP on that attack, he was a little surprised but still not even shaken he just sat there took it and just raised him arms like he was about to shoe off an annoying little fly that just flew into his face, had the ref not been so quick to jump in I would of put Palhares seconds away from getting back up to his feet or even pulling Nate straight into another submission from where he was, because Nate was not even phasing him.

Had that fight continued from where it was even after he stopped paying attention, I think it would of been near guaranteed that Palhares would of come back eventually finished Nate.

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You really wanna see him at 170, don't you?!
He would rip off some limbs...no doubt in my mind :P
The only reason I want to see that is because he is the only fighter out there that I would personally make favorite to beat GSP, in fact I would very surprised if GSP won that fight if it ever came about, and I can't say that about any other fighter on the planet.
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Paul Harris by murder.

If the fight goes to the ground and he grabs a hold of something, it's basically finished.
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Not really he fcuking was owning Nate, even in the stand up he had Nate on the back foot, and the worse think still is that not only had be had his mind on the fight would Nate not of got the TKO but he woudl probably not of even gone anywhere near Palhares on the floor had he been set ready to pull guard, Nate would of let him back up to his feel unless he was feeling suicidal.

And further still it a fcuking early stoppage, Palhares was not hurt by Nates GnP on that attack, he was a little surprised but still not even shaken he just sat there took it and just raised him arms like he was about to shoe off an annoying little fly that just flew into his face, had the ref not been so quick to jump in I would of put Palhares seconds away from getting back up to his feet or even pulling Nate straight into another submission from where he was, because Nate was not even phasing him.

Had that fight continued from where it was even after he stopped paying attention, I think it would of been near guaranteed that Palhares would of come back eventually finished Nate.



The only reason I want to see that is because he is the only fighter out there that I would personally make favorite to beat GSP, in fact I would very surprised if GSP won that fight if it ever came about, and I can't say that about any other fighter on the planet.
i agree man, i really think in a rematch palhares would take him, theres really no way nate would have jumped in his guard like that, fact is nate got lucky!

and about him going to WW i 100% agree, i always wanted maia to go down to see what he could do against GSP, since there really isnt an elite bjj guy at WW...well now they have shields

but palhares vs GSP would be awesome, and he would still have a HUGE strength advantage at WW...more so than MW cuz MW also has some huge dudes

i think palhares could be more dangerous at WW and lose some of that unecessary muscle!...thiago alves is another guy i wanted to see drop, every1 said i was crazy but he also has a LW frame with unecessay muscles...his striking would obliterate guys at LW, problem is he would have to lose TOO much muscle

and after the dolce diet he seems to have found his rythem at WW, before he looked too gassed for WW, too slow...but now hes awesome! anyways...i digress

palhares to WW FTW!
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Well the facts are he is 5"8

looking at the top fighters in the WW division

GSP = 5"10
Fitch = 6"
Kos = 5"10
Alves = 5"9
Kapamann = 6"0
Sanchez = 5"11
Penn = 5"9
Shields = 6"0

The fact is he is shorter than even BJ Penn, without looking I bet Jose Aldo is taller. EDIT: Aldo is 5"7

he coudl still stack a load of muscle at 170lb, more than most at 170lb and I bet still be the stronger man, he could even probably shoot quicker and be more successful with his take downs against smaller guys in the WW division, like most other athletic WW's, and any improvement on his take downs is make him a lot more dangerous.
No way Penn is only a inch shorter than Fitch.
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No way Penn is only a inch shorter than Fitch.
well no Penn is 5"9, Fitch is 6" that makes him 3ins shorter.
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i agree man, i really think in a rematch palhares would take him, theres really no way nate would have jumped in his guard like that, fact is nate got lucky!

and about him going to WW i 100% agree, i always wanted maia to go down to see what he could do against GSP, since there really isnt an elite bjj guy at WW...well now they have shields

but palhares vs GSP would be awesome, and he would still have a HUGE strength advantage at WW...more so than MW cuz MW also has some huge dudes

i think palhares could be more dangerous at WW and lose some of that unecessary muscle!...thiago alves is another guy i wanted to see drop, every1 said i was crazy but he also has a LW frame with unecessay muscles...his striking would obliterate guys at LW, problem is he would have to lose TOO much muscle

and after the dolce diet he seems to have found his rythem at WW, before he looked too gassed for WW, too slow...but now hes awesome! anyways...i digress

palhares to WW FTW!
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Not a fan of this match up, mainly because I don't want to see Munoz lose anytime soon.
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