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Old 02-11-2007, 04:44 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I dont even know what to say....This whole idea is absurd. Here I go:
1. The comment about the Rampage fight "maybe its just cause im against kicking a downed opponent" - He beat Rampage is the clinch - you clearly havent seen the fight.
2. "most of shoguns wins were over cans" - Overeem, Rampage, Rogerio, Arona and Nakamura are certainly not cans - they are some of the best 205s in the world whether you ve ever seen them fight or not. And thats your loss.
3. "...lost to sobral, who chuck destroyed both times " - he lost to Sobral at 21 years of age - Chuck's first fight was at 28 years old. Doesnt that say something. Shogun is a far better fighter now than Babalu is and everyone knows that.
4. "so what he lost to rampage in 2003" - Chuck hasnt fought a decent striker since - he hasnt proven shit to me as far as his striking ability. Its easy to outstrike a guy like Tito Ortiz if you call yourself a striker.
5. "kevin "anyone can beat" randleman " - If you have no respect for a guy like Kevin Randleman after the shit he s gone through in life, you should not call your self an MMA fan.
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:12 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I dont even know what to say....This whole idea is absurd. Here I go:
1. The comment about the Rampage fight "maybe its just cause im against kicking a downed opponent" - He beat Rampage is the clinch - you clearly havent seen the fight.
2. "most of shoguns wins were over cans" - Overeem, Rampage, Rogerio, Arona and Nakamura are certainly not cans - they are some of the best 205s in the world whether you ve ever seen them fight or not. And thats your loss.
3. "...lost to sobral, who chuck destroyed both times " - he lost to Sobral at 21 years of age - Chuck's first fight was at 28 years old. Doesnt that say something. Shogun is a far better fighter now than Babalu is and everyone knows that.
4. "so what he lost to rampage in 2003" - Chuck hasnt fought a decent striker since - he hasnt proven shit to me as far as his striking ability. Its easy to outstrike a guy like Tito Ortiz if you call yourself a striker.
5. "kevin "anyone can beat" randleman " - If you have no respect for a guy like Kevin Randleman after the shit he s gone through in life, you should not call your self an MMA fan.
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i agree with this 100%. not much else i can add to that. It hurts as a Rampage fan to admit it but Shogun absolutely destroyed him. I also find it very disrespectful to attach such a nickname to Randleman, he has gone through so much shit yet continued to fight. Maybe i live in a fantasy world here...but one day I hope everyone will be able to watch all MMA with an open mind and watch without a company bias. who knows it could make it more enjoyable for everyone.
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:45 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Well, there is would and there is could. Could Liddell knock out Mauricio? Yeah, I'd say so. Would Liddell knock out Mauricio? I don't know.
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Old 02-11-2007, 11:38 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I am getting sick of people saying that Sgogun is this and Shogun is that. Shogun is at best the #3 LHW in the world. Why? Because the top two hold the belts in their respective organizations. Everybody says that Shogun is better than Wanderlei. Well the caliber of Shoguns opponents compared to Wanderlei is like night and day. Wanderlei has fought much tougher opponents than Shogun. I said this once and I'll say it again. Wandy softened up Rampage for Shogun. Shogun DID NOT dominate Rampage like Wandy did. Shogun will always be in Wandy's shadow unless A) Wandy loses the title or B) he switches organizations and goes to the UFC to fight Chuck and loses. Either way thats the way it should be because Wandy and Chuck are the champs. If he wants to break away then he should move up to HW and fight Fedor.
Wow you are uneducated. Shoguns opponents are just as tough as Silvas my friend.

Arona beat Silva then Silva beat barely got a decision over Arona in the rematch. Shogun beat Arona in the first round like he was nothing.

Wandy softend up Rampage? Give me a break. Shogun actually dominated Rampage worse than Wandy did. Rampage at least took Wand down and did damage Rampage couldnt do anything with Shogun but get his ass kicked.

Shogun beat Rogerio who is a great fighter and Overeem whose also a really tough fighter. His run in the MWGP was IMO one of the most impressive things Ive ever seen in mma the way he mowed through so many tough opponents.

He had a freak accident loss to Colemen and he lost a tough battle with Babalu when 3 years ago when he was new as hell and those are his only losses.

Shoguns wins are as much if not more impressive than Wandy or Chucks and I think he beat either of them but I dont know theyre all three really close. i just cant believe the amount of disrespect Shoguns getting
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ok you know what, im gettin a little tired of you ppl breathing down the necks of us newer fans, i admit i ddint start watching the UFC til TUF 1, but i only like the first season and quickly became a fan of the other fighters, including some in pride, whick i took upon myself in looking into because pride is nowhere to be found on north american television....and dont get mad at me cause i like seeing some KO's, they market the UFC that way, you NEVER see commercials or shows on other networks telling you how cool it is to see a match on the ground or submissions, nah, they make sure they point out those brutal KO's, so blame the UFC for knockouts being 1 of the main reasons i even watch MMA...for example, the edgar/griffin fight, that was sweet! awesome fight but when i see crowds booing at UFC events, most of the time i dont blame them, those seats costed those ppl alotta damn money and you know damn well tickets to see UFC (not sure about pride) shows are ridiculously high, i mean who pays over 200-250 dollars to see some fights, i pay less than $100 to see ppl like snoop dogg in concert and he makes wayyyy more money then these guys, i mean damn, if im paying 40 bucks plus taxes to watch a MMA event, your damn right i wanna see some knockouts, i didnt pay that hard earned money to watch slow paced fights...so cut me some slack, shit, im not watching MMA for the art, i got other things i care more about than to study everything about MMA

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Old 02-11-2007, 06:16 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If you're admitting you dont know much about MMA, you shouldnt try to judge guys like Shogun if you know very few thing about them.
People talk about guys like him and Fedor because they are impressed with their fighter attributes and overall quality, not because everyone else is talking about it.
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:26 PM   #17 (permalink)
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^^ok...but im telling you, i have seen shoguns fights and nowhere did i say he was a bad fighter, i simply said liddell would knock him out...and thats my opinion because of how liddell finishes his fights which imo are better than how shogun wins his, maybe thats just me, and because i dont know every little detail about mma like most of you ppl in this thread are gettin at me for, it doesnt mean i dont know nothing, i know pride has some amazing fighters and i know some of them would dominate in the UFC, all i said was an opinion about a possible chuch/shogun match and im catching all this heat about a damn opinion

the only LHW in the UFC that i see giving shogun some serious trouble is liddell, thats 1 of the reasons i started this thread
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:34 PM   #18 (permalink)
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What do you want ppl to say to you?
You made comments about how shogun only fought cans and stuff like that.
Thats irritating to anyone who follows and respects organizations outside of the UFC.
Try to be a little more sensible about making strong statements if you dont like being attacked/proven wrong. Its a part of any forum.
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:44 PM   #19 (permalink)
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^^ok...but im telling you, i have seen shoguns fights and nowhere did i say he was a bad fighter, i simply said liddell would knock him out...and thats my opinion because of how liddell finishes his fights which imo are better than how shogun wins his, maybe thats just me, and because i dont know every little detail about mma like most of you ppl in this thread are gettin at me for, it doesnt mean i dont know nothing, i know pride has some amazing fighters and i know some of them would dominate in the UFC, all i said was an opinion about a possible chuch/shogun match and im catching all this heat about a damn opinion

the only LHW in the UFC that i see giving shogun some serious trouble is liddell, thats 1 of the reasons i started this thread
Theres abosolutly nothing wrong with saying you think Chuck could KO Shogun. I think Shogun, Chuck, and Wandy are about as close as 3 fighters could get. So its tough to call. But to say Shogun hasnt fought anyone is just silly.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:17 PM   #20 (permalink)
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if you wanna compare these two, then lets do it for real. chuck has some of the heavyest hands in the sport. he tosses that monster fist at people very well, but that is no substitute for skill and percision against a guy like Shogun. Chuck has no problem wolloping the average fighters he goes up against, or at least, the guys who are as equally as non-honed as him. But when you get shogun in there, who is a very very technical striker, as well as someone who is no slouch on the ground, i don't see how you put chuck on the books with a KO. Shogun is no fool... after one punch that hurts him, he'd take chuck down and handle him there, and if not, Shogun still has 2 more weapons than chuck; spectacular kicks and knees as good as Wandy's. Chuck has his heavy fist and a good sprawl... that's not enough to defeat Shogun who has excellent BJJ and very well rounded muay thai, as well as legendary Chute Box stamina!

it would be a great figt, and Chuck could always pull up the upset decision, but a KO? not a chance when you compare them realistically!
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