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Old 02-10-2007, 11:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Liddell would KO Shogun if they fought this year

im not too impressed with his wins, only brag about type of wins he has is rampage, Alistair Overeem, Ricardo Arona and kevin "anyone can beat" randleman (beat him in 2006 mind you) liddell beat him back when he had alot more potential and finished him very quickly...lost to sobral, who chuck destroyed both times (fedor couldnt even finished him and that was a 2001 babalu) and most of his wins are over guys who have joe rigg like records with over 10 losses....not a good look...but what is good is how good his record is at such a young age, so i mean, he could beat liddell, but not now, his striking isnt as good imo and liddell would KO him imo, hopefully chucks age doesnt catch up to him before he's 40

i say this cause i see alot of ppl praising him, but look who chucks beaten, and most of the endings in his ufc fights...classic, highlight knockout after another...just cause his wins lately were all rematches dont matter, its how he ends everyone in highlight fashion over top competion guys...so what he lost to rampage in 2003, he lost to couture that same year and since 2003, well you know the rest...only person i really see beating chuck is Silva...sorry but he will get a KO/TKO win over jackson when they do fight again
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Old 02-10-2007, 11:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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you forgot to say he beat one of the nog's. i have no clue how you think chuck would knock out shogun. i can understand it if you said could, but not would. shogun is, by many people, considered the #1 LHW in the world. i think it is too good of a match-up to say that chuck would win. and in reality, it depends how they fight: PRIDE rules or UFC. chuck could get in some pretty good trouble in the ring, because his takedown defense wouldnt have the built in aide: the cage. i think it would be a good fight. but i'm not really willing to say its gonna be one-sided, the way you have.
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Shogun's run through the 2005 GP is more impressive than anything Chuck's ever done. I'm not at all saying Chuck is bad because I personally think he ranked #3 in the world, but a fight between these two could go a lot of ways. Chuck could certainly win, but Shogun has just as good of a chance.
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I like how you brush off wins over Rampage and Arona like theyre nothing, and fail to even mention Rogerio and Nakamura who would punish the hell out of any ufc lhw besides Chuck. Lets not look past the fact that he DESTROYED rampage who kicked the shit out of Chuck. I think it can be debated who is the better fighter but in all honesty Shogun, Wanderlei, and Rogerio would all beat Chuck in my opinion.
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Old 02-10-2007, 11:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Shogun mowed through Rampage & Arona like they were beginners. Shogun is one of my current favorites. Shogun is deadly on his feet and on the ground. I think if anyone could beat Chuck, it's Shogun.

lil Nog vs Shogun ruled. It's often pimped, and with good reason.

People keep bringing up his lackluster performance against Nak(Who doesn't suck). Some fighters have lackluster performances. Bas had the Randleman & Ken Shamrock fights. Nogueira had the Fedor fights. Cro Cop had the Randleman fight. It just happens. Shogun still won the fight, so it's still a W regardless.
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Old 02-10-2007, 11:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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man i dont give a damn if he beat rampage, that was one of his worst fights...maybe its just cause im against kicking a downed opponent, imo thats being lazy if they're down and all u gotta do is throw a strike thats more powerful than any strike a downed opponent can throw at their opponent who is standing, most of shoguns wins were over cans....but like i said, the guy is hella young, its crazy how good his record is already...but because chuck is in the UFC, he doesnt get as much praise as shogun even tho he has much more impressive wins against top fighters..thats all im saying
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man i dont give a damn if he beat rampage, that was one of his worst fights...maybe its just cause im against kicking a downed opponent, imo thats being lazy if they're down and all u gotta do is throw a strike thats more powerful than any strike a downed opponent can throw at their opponent who is standing, most of shoguns wins were over cans....but like i said, the guy is hella young, its crazy how good his record is already...but because chuck is in the UFC, he doesnt get as much praise as shogun even tho he has much more impressive wins against top fighters..thats all im saying
First of all, I would like to do every smart MMA fans here a favour by calling your a moron. You just said that most of Shoguns wins are againts cans???? I guess you've been smoking a lot of weed lately or your brain capacity is below than lets say a *****n ant. Let me ask you who has Chuck faught lately? And old Couture, Sobral, Horn???? Give me a break, he hasn't faught an average striker for god's sake. Even Ortiz gave him a little trouble in the stand up and his below average in that. Why don't you do a little research on who have shogun beat???? Or maybe you've only seen UFC events, in which I wouldn't doubt 'cause most UFC fans are idiots.

And if you were in a fight and you get your oponent on the ground would you let him get up? Hell if you were on the ground I'd kick you in the head and knock some sense into you. Have a nice day.

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Old 02-11-2007, 12:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
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^^^download a hug mayne lol, chillout....i know shogun is good, i never said he was bad, im saying liddell's wins are better imo and he's finished so many ppl off in highlight fashion, i just think he's the better striker...when was the last time liddell lost on the ground, that was back in 2003, he's destroyed everyone who's known for their ground game, shogun wont beat liddell on the ground, he has to do it standing, which leads me to believe liddell has much greater chances on his feet than shogun///and that rampage fight with shogun, that was a terrible performance on jacksons fight, why doesnt anyone mention how bad he was in that fight? and i dont wanna hear how rampage knocked out chuck cause NOW everyone wants rampage to have 2 or 3 tune up matches before he gets liddell, what does that tell you? that means everyone knows how good liddell's striking is, even rampage knows it

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Old 02-11-2007, 12:48 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I am getting sick of people saying that Sgogun is this and Shogun is that. Shogun is at best the #3 LHW in the world. Why? Because the top two hold the belts in their respective organizations. Everybody says that Shogun is better than Wanderlei. Well the caliber of Shoguns opponents compared to Wanderlei is like night and day. Wanderlei has fought much tougher opponents than Shogun. I said this once and I'll say it again. Wandy softened up Rampage for Shogun. Shogun DID NOT dominate Rampage like Wandy did. Shogun will always be in Wandy's shadow unless A) Wandy loses the title or B) he switches organizations and goes to the UFC to fight Chuck and loses. Either way thats the way it should be because Wandy and Chuck are the champs. If he wants to break away then he should move up to HW and fight Fedor.
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this guy who started the thread is a joke... every fight has to win for a good highlight reel? what about submissions a win is a win. why dont u acknowledge the facts about shogun beating better opponents.. instead of praising chuck for his feats??? u sir are a mma newb and a complete moron.. ive said it once and ill say it again im tired of all these "new" mma fans coming in thinking dana whites poster boys are the best in the world.. ahem rich franklin
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