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Old 03-06-2011, 08:42 PM   #121 (permalink)
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People are laughable , stop hating on GSP.

Of course Silva wants the fight he has every advantage , Size, reach and its his natural weight.

Meet in the middle or GTFO.
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:31 PM   #122 (permalink)
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This is why I admire guys like Penn so much.

He moves up 2 weight classes and fights the biggest, highest ranked fighters in the division, simply to test himself, where as you have GSP who has been saying no for a few years now, and even now is still not sure about it.

It's a smart, logical move for GSP to stay at WW, why move up to fight bigger guys? Logically/reasonably, I agree.

However, guys who will move up simply to test themselves or fight for the fans gain more respect from me, I just admire that need for challenge in a person.
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This is why I admire guys like Penn so much.

He moves up 2 weight classes and fights the biggest, highest ranked fighters in the division, simply to test himself, where as you have GSP who has been saying no for a few years now, and even now is still not sure about it.

It's a smart, logical move for GSP to stay at WW, why move up to fight bigger guys? Logically/reasonably, I agree.

However, guys who will move up simply to test themselves or fight for the fans gain more respect from me, I just admire that need for challenge in a person.
That is also a very good point an so true. +rep
BJ Penn deserves all the credit for going up.

I just really think that the reach is immense between silva & GSP and I think is the main reason for him to not doing the fight against Silva.
silva is destroying guys left and right with the same reach, so this would be very risky.

But like I said, fighters that actually do this step like BJ are truly f'n great for doing this and testing themselves.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:37 AM   #124 (permalink)
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This is why I admire guys like Penn so much.

He moves up 2 weight classes and fights the biggest, highest ranked fighters in the division, simply to test himself, where as you have GSP who has been saying no for a few years now, and even now is still not sure about it.

It's a smart, logical move for GSP to stay at WW, why move up to fight bigger guys? Logically/reasonably, I agree.

However, guys who will move up simply to test themselves or fight for the fans gain more respect from me, I just admire that need for challenge in a person.
I completely agree. Theres plenty to admire in this kind of challenge. After all, the UFC was built on the David vs Goliath archetype.

BUT, I will not criticise a fighter if they choose not to. Especially a fighter as dominant as GSP. This is where I have the problem. People commenting on GSP... using terms like p*ussy and yellow... or insisting he retires unless he moves up? This kind of thing riles me. I will always defend a fighter under this kind of criticism.

And, as I pointed out to Cooper, why isnt Silva getting the same criticism? By comparison, Silva dabbling with Griffen at LHW is one million miles away from GSP taking on Silva. Yet, if GSP chooses to fight at MW a few times, but not fight Silva, I've no doubt everybody would be up in arms about it.

Lets not forget GSP is 29. Hes defended his belt 5 times. Its not like hes on a 6 year streak. Let him move up to MW when hes ready, not hurriedly because everybody is concerned Silva is about to retire soon. It is unfortunate Silva is at the end of his career.
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When I think about it, sometimes I want to see that "superfight" happen, sometimes I don't really.

I mean when you watch both guys, Silva is some sort of "natural" genuis, it seems that to him, fighting is like breathing, totally natural.

When you watch GSP, you see more work and intelligence, technique, perfect timing, but he doesn't seem as "natural" as a fighter than Silva and I believe this is why I don't see GSP winning that one, he can't really prepare for someone like Silva and I don't think his "conservative" fighting style is going to get him anywhere against AS.

Maybe he could try to "bore him out" like in the Demian Maia fight, and force AS to do foolish things to capitalize on, but even then, AS is as reactive as it gets. He's able to pull out KO power from virtually any position or move, out of nowhere, he did it on multiple occasions and this is what can beat GSP, if GSP can't plan, GSP can't win and in 4 and a half rounds a drugged Sonnen couldn't beat a wounded Silva.

I really am a fan of GSP but I don't see him standing a chance against AS, the more I think about it, the more I see AS winning this one in, as usual, spectacular fashion out-of-nowhere KO

something along the lines of a flying knee stopping a TD attempt, or maybe reproduce the KOS "jab fight" only with KO within the first 2 rounds once AS gets bored.

But if GSP can come back of a loss against AS, he'll be unstoppable, I see him winning a rematch against AS rather than a first.
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I completely agree. Theres plenty to admire in this kind of challenge. After all, the UFC was built on the David vs Goliath archetype.

BUT, I will not criticise a fighter if they choose not to. Especially a fighter as dominant as GSP. This is where I have the problem. People commenting on GSP... using terms like p*ussy and yellow... or insisting he retires unless he moves up? This kind of thing riles me. I will always defend a fighter under this kind of criticism.

And, as I pointed out to Cooper, why isnt Silva getting the same criticism? By comparison, Silva dabbling with Griffen at LHW is one million miles away from GSP taking on Silva. Yet, if GSP chooses to fight at MW a few times, but not fight Silva, I've no doubt everybody would be up in arms about it.

Lets not forget GSP is 29. Hes defended his belt 5 times. Its not like hes on a 6 year streak. Let him move up to MW when hes ready, not hurriedly because everybody is concerned Silva is about to retire soon. It is unfortunate Silva is at the end of his career.
No, no, I don't feel GSP is afraid or anything, and even if he is, it's understandable - Silva is an amazingly skilled fighter who is larger, it's not something you wish to do (that's why most stay in their weight classes or cut down as far as they can).

I respect GSP for his skill and believe any fighter anywhere has the right to choose and decide where they fight, who they fight (as in, they shouldn't be forced to move up just cause they are amazing in their division), etc etc.

I'm just saying, when I see something like this, it instantly makes me think "this is why I love guys like Penn so much" - they will fight literally anybody just for the challenge. I admire this a great deal, and wish more fighters would do it, but again, it's their choice and there's no reason to insult them for it.
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No, no, I don't feel GSP is afraid or anything, and even if he is, it's understandable - Silva is an amazingly skilled fighter who is larger, it's not something you wish to do (that's why most stay in their weight classes or cut down as far as they can).

I respect GSP for his skill and believe any fighter anywhere has the right to choose and decide where they fight, who they fight (as in, they shouldn't be forced to move up just cause they are amazing in their division), etc etc.

I'm just saying, when I see something like this, it instantly makes me think "this is why I love guys like Penn so much" - they will fight literally anybody just for the challenge. I admire this a great deal, and wish more fighters would do it, but again, it's their choice and there's no reason to insult them for it.
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I completely agree. Theres plenty to admire in this kind of challenge. After all, the UFC was built on the David vs Goliath archetype.

BUT, I will not criticise a fighter if they choose not to. Especially a fighter as dominant as GSP. This is where I have the problem. People commenting on GSP... using terms like p*ussy and yellow... or insisting he retires unless he moves up? This kind of thing riles me. I will always defend a fighter under this kind of criticism.

And, as I pointed out to Cooper, why isnt Silva getting the same criticism? By comparison, Silva dabbling with Griffen at LHW is one million miles away from GSP taking on Silva. Yet, if GSP chooses to fight at MW a few times, but not fight Silva, I've no doubt everybody would be up in arms about it.


Lets not forget GSP is 29. Hes defended his belt 5 times. Its not like hes on a 6 year streak. Let him move up to MW when hes ready, not hurriedly because everybody is concerned Silva is about to retire soon. It is unfortunate Silva is at the end of his career.
Again, there are only very, very few fighters who reach a level like GSP. This is very uncommon and very special case, I clarify very special case! If you however reach such an extraordinary level, you have two choices to make and not more then two.

Either you go out and search for challenges, or you hang them up no matter how old you are! Those are the things wich unbeatable fighters have to do. You can not just continue to beat up fighters who don'T even belong in the ring with you. First nobody wants to see it and secondly it's just stupid.
Nobody even wants to see the Jake Shields fight for example. You wanna tell me that GSP could just stay at WW?


Also please stop discrediting Silva's destruction of Forrest Griffin. I told you what Griffin has done at the time and how he became the LHW champion of the World with a frame of a HW.

The equal scenario for GSP would be to move up and fight Chael Sonnen. Chael same as Forrest dominated there title fight and still lost. A fight against Sonnen would do it!

Also if Chael after he fought GSP would lose 5 times via a submission, it wouldn't change a damn thing. GSP moved up and fought one of the best MW's in the world exactly what Anderson Silva has already done.

Thats what such special cases like GSP and Silva, BJ Penn, Aldo (soon), Manny Paquiou, Oscar de La Hoya all had and have to do, because they are that great and they had only two choices to make and they choosed the right one wich is going up and looking for a Challenge!!!
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I completely agree. Theres plenty to admire in this kind of challenge. After all, the UFC was built on the David vs Goliath archetype.

BUT, I will not criticise a fighter if they choose not to. Especially a fighter as dominant as GSP. This is where I have the problem. People commenting on GSP... using terms like p*ussy and yellow... or insisting he retires unless he moves up? This kind of thing riles me. I will always defend a fighter under this kind of criticism.

And, as I pointed out to Cooper, why isnt Silva getting the same criticism? By comparison, Silva dabbling with Griffen at LHW is one million miles away from GSP taking on Silva. Yet, if GSP chooses to fight at MW a few times, but not fight Silva, I've no doubt everybody would be up in arms about it.

Lets not forget GSP is 29. Hes defended his belt 5 times. Its not like hes on a 6 year streak. Let him move up to MW when hes ready, not hurriedly because everybody is concerned Silva is about to retire soon. It is unfortunate Silva is at the end of his career.
Is it so hard to fathom that due to the lutter/sonnen/henderson fights the ufc clearly saw what they wanted and are now puttin their biggest draw (arguably) who happens to be the best at what those fighters do, in a situation where he has nothing to lose?

They dont want him facing a paul harris or maia because if he loses it will hurt his status/perception and expose him for the fraud many believe he is..They are hotshoting him because they know he excels at what happens to be silva's achilles heal, to coin the tired phrase styles make fights & this one is tailored to GSP.Zuffa knows this and so does ed soares, if gsp wasnt so scared hed realize it too..They even attached a caveat to this fight for good measure, everything is skewed one way, why do u think that is? What exactly is silva gaining out of this again? if he wins ppl will just say "well he beat a ww" when these are the same ppl that came when gsp beat bj funny enough (like that was an achievement)

Like i've said my problem here isnt his yellah nature towards silva, its his reluctance to entertain moving upwards in general. Lok at the landscape of the division FFS, his only viable contenders are bj (who he has faced 2x) and fitch (who he has already faced) These fighters havent evolved since the day he dominated them so what kind of fighter wants to retread old ground against contenders he thoroughly outclassed.Its like anderson clamouring to face chris leben..How many rematches has gsp had? kos 2X, bj 3x, hughes 3x, serra 2X.I'm sorry but that is pathetic and verging on stat padding..What legacy does he still need to cement at WW with the likes of kampman, johnson,, stun gun, story waiting in the wings
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