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Old 03-05-2011, 11:32 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Anderson should just shock the world and demand the fight at 170. Then he should double shock the world and challenge Cain Velasquez for his retirement match.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:32 AM   #32 (permalink)
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yeah i saw this, i think GSP just doesnt want to move up, he can...but i think he wants to stay at WW, just like AS wants to stay at MW

theres no reason to believe that these guys are ''scared'' they are professional fighters, and the elite of the elite...its pretty silly to say either one of them is scared to fight, i just think they dont see it as a good buisness move...especially GSP because hes risking his whole legacy since he would stay at MW

BUT idk why GSP keeps focusing on the weight thing, hes looking big now! did any1 notice? hes probably already at 200 pounds now...he was 195 after the silva vs belfort ppv...

how much does he want to weigh? why would it take him 6 months to put on 5-10 pounds? he said he wanted to weigh about 205-210...he could easily put that on in less than 6 months, hes already slowly bulking up, every fight hes bigger...

it cant be the weight thing, i just think he really doesnt think this is a smart move at this point in time in his career, hes still young and has many years ahead, he could move up later, its AS' clock thats ticking

just give him okami, then give him JBJ or Shogun, im sure dana wouldnt mind making that fight and neither would AS, he has said he would fight whoever UFC asked him to...so book it man...once they see GSP doesnt want to move up, they will match him up witht he LHW champ..

they want a superfighter one way or another before AS retires
Putting on the weight is one thing. Doing it and maintaining his explosiveness is another. IMO, he would not be at his best in his first fight at MW. Maybe 3 or 4 fights in. I'm sure GSP knows this hence his reluctance to fight Silva in his very first foray into MW, which is what Dana and the fans want. Its madness if you ask me.
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6:55-7:17 the part about Silva's weight, for those interested about this subject, straight from Ed Soares.



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“I apologize,” Silva said. “I worked hard in training to go four or five rounds. I dropped from 230 pounds to 205 and then to 185. I worked my butt off. I had a long camp preparing for the fight. I owe you guys in the media, the fans and everyone an apology. I was prepared, but it’s unfortunate what happened.”
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“I’m used to training against bigger guys,” said Silva. A lot of people talk about moving up and down in weight,” he said. “For me, it is a little difficult to cut weight to make 185, but I walk around at 215 to 220 pounds, so for me to cut to 185, I do have to eat a little bit of a different diet, and do a little bit of a different type of cardio workout to get my weight down. For 205, I just eat differently, and I don’t have to cut as much weight. But both 185 and 205 work fine for me.
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That is the weight issue regarding Silva. (and possibly GSP if they fight)

But, apart from that, from GSP's perspective, i believe there is something else to this whole situation. And it may be more important than the weight issue.

I believe this is a fight neither are too excited about, especially GSP.
Not because he is scared or anything.
The main reason why GSP is not that excited about this fight is because he just doesn't wanna fight at MW! Simple as that imo.
I believe he has a decent shot of beating Silva honestly: his wrestling skills + ground game could make a possible fight between them look like Silva - Sonnen, without Silva submitting GSP of course.
I can only see GSP winning by decision, after a close fight and that would mean instant rematch.
And, again, i just don't think GSP is too excited od making a permanent move to MW, because, even if he were to beat Silva, because he has the style to do it, i believe there are a lot of MW fighters who are more dangerous for GSP at MW than Silva is - as crazy as it sounds: someone like Sonnen, who is bigger and stronger than GSP and has the same wrestling skills. I also consider Okami, Falcao or Palhares worse match-ups than Silva, for GSP.
If you wanna go against big/strong fighters like those, that means you have to get stronger also.
A lot of people just don't realise what a big difference is between the WW and the MW fighters, in terms of size and stregth. And i am not talking about the fighters' size at the weigh-ins.
Compare the TOP 10 WW division with the Top 10 MW division and you will see what i am talking about.
A lot of MW fighters are former LHW fighters or guys who fought at LHW: Anderson, Belfort, Wanderlei, Stann, Munoz, Bisping plus other big guys like Marquardt, Palhares, Okami.
You can't find many fighters who dropped from MW to WW. Shields is somewhat of an exception. Plus Almeida and Kampmann.

GSP is doing an incredible job at WW! It's his fault the competition is so far behind him?! Everyone at WW should pick up the pace.
He has worked his ass off to become the fighter he is now. He is willing to fly all over the world to train with the best fighters/coaches, in every discipline.

He could do it like BJ: move up for this fight and if it doesn't go well, drop down to WW. No harm done.

I would be more interested in seeing Silva fight Okami, Palhares or Sonnen again.
Or, like in GSP's case, i would love to see him fight some of the guys at LHW.
Silva at LHW is more realistic than GSP at MW!

The only reason people want to see this fight is because:
- both guys dominate their division
- their styles are complete opposite
- they are considered the no.1 and no.2 P4P fighters in the world.
Personally - i think P4P means nothing. It's just a marketing tool!

Just an opinion!
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guess this guy is too big to fight GSP too, he walks around bigger than Anderson, about same height and length aswell.




Does the world see that as a huge mismatch for GSP aswell??? Or would that only be if it was at 185??
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Anderson is naturally that weight that, not pumped up over years from weight training and such.

his strength and power are most likely reflected by his natural ability.

I started weight training after I finished thai boxing and I gained around 4 stone of muscle mass (more than 50lbs) and while obviously increased my strength/power at the movements I trained it really wouldn't translate to my power in a thai boxing ring in my opinion.

This is the same as GSP, I see him as being some what pumped up for his weight and if he increased more he would stand to lose as much in his speed and mobility as he would gain from extra weight/force to add to his game.

Anderson is natural (yes of course he has trained to increase his explosive power) but he his natural weight/power and potential to increase these are far beyond GSP.

I think Silva has a massive advantage of GSP on every level except wrestling, GSP's only chance as far as I could see would be to spend 5 rounds dominating the much bigger guy in competitive action (not the same as taking down rashad in training)

I wouldn't write him off totally, but I do still think it is a mismatch and not the most exciting option for SIlva interms of ufc matchmaking (aside maybe from a PR pov)

Anderson vs Shogun or Anderson vs JOnes would excite me for one a lot more than the prospect of GSP/Silva...but of course I would still get pumped to see the fight if it were signed (don't get me wrong)
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Old 03-05-2011, 12:44 PM   #36 (permalink)
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guess this guy is too big to fight GSP too, he walks around bigger than Anderson, about same height and length aswell.




Does the world see that as a huge mismatch for GSP aswell??? Or would that only be if it was at 185??
You only prove the point. GSP moving up to 185 and tackling somebody of the calibre of Johnson would be perfect. Tackling the P4P best fighter in the world in your first fight isn't.
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GSP seems unsure, good, hopefully more people will start to realise that this fight is not very plausible in terms of weight.
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GSP is no match for Silva.
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You only prove the point. GSP moving up to 185 and tackling somebody of the calibre of Johnson would be perfect. Tackling the P4P best fighter in the world in your first fight isn't.
Johnson is a WW is my point. But if he fought GSP ppl wouldnt be saying it was a crazy mismatch because of the size. They are in the same weight class.


I do agree that Silva being GSPs 1st fight at MW is a tall order. I also think Andersons weakness is GSPs strength so it makes it interesting. I think there are worse matchups for GSP at MW, guys that GSP will have trouble taking down, guys that could take GSP down. Anderson isnt one of those guys.

I dont think GSP would suddenly be a worse MMA wrestler if he gained a few pounds. I dont think the size difference is enough for Anderson to stop GSPs TDs. If you cant CONSISTENTLY stop GSPs TDs, you lose. I dont care if you are Anderson Silva.
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Old 03-05-2011, 01:25 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Johnson is a WW is my point. But if he fought GSP ppl wouldnt be saying it was a crazy mismatch because of the size. They are in the same weight class.


I do agree that Silva being GSPs 1st fight at MW is a tall order. I also think Andersons weakness is GSPs strength so it makes it interesting. I think there are worse matchups for GSP at MW, guys that GSP will have trouble taking down, guys that could take GSP down. Anderson isnt one of those guys.

I dont think GSP would suddenly be a worse MMA wrestler if he gained a few pounds. I dont think the size difference is enough for Anderson to stop GSPs TDs. If you cant CONSISTENTLY stop GSPs TDs, you lose. I dont care if you are Anderson Silva.
Regardless of the weight thing... they dont want the fight. I really dont see what everybody wants here? To force GSP to fight at MW because we want him to? To de-legitimize the WW belt by abandoning it? Forgetting all weight issues, I really am not interested.
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One one hand, as a fan, I naturally would want to see this fight between the best p4p fighters today.

On the other hand, considering the weight difference, it is basically a very stupid idea.

A fight like this could have happended back in the day in PRIDE, where they didn't really care about huge weight differences. But from a fighters perspective I don't see that fight happen.

Too much to loose for GSP that is. The reach that Anderson has on him is insane.

I don't see it happen in the near future.
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