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Old 03-05-2011, 02:03 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Looks like we agree on something my friend.
I was never a fan of this fight.
But, if this fight were to happen, i believe GSP would need at least 6 months to bulk up properly. I would hate to hear excuses after the fight.

I am still laughing at the guy who said GSP vs Silva would be very possible for June or July this year...no bulk-up problem! LOL
I think GSP would need even longer. Its not a matter of building mass to make weight. He walks at 190ish. He could make weight tomorrow. The issue is raw strength. the GSP walking at 190 would get ragdolled by Silva on a basic strength level IMO. To be even close to match for Silva he'd need at the minimun as solid 20lbs more muscle, not mass, muscle. Would would take a very long time to build.

Look at Stephan Struve. The guy talks about how hard he works to build strong powerful muscle instead of bulky wasteful mass. And he's still a string bean.

I think 6 months is a very liberal quantity of time, IMO it would be more like 9 months of solid power lifting to build the strength and size to counter Silva (take him down, outgrapple him, hold him down, etc.), and another 2-3 to condition his cardiovascular and musculo-skeletal system, to maintain the explosiveness and endurance that makes WW GSP the MW GSP we think can hang with Silva.
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Old 03-05-2011, 02:09 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I've maintained the position that Anderson would destroy GSP for years now and I'm still on that train. Even if GSP bulks up he will still be a bulked up WW fighting a LHW, not to mention that LHW is arguably the greatest fighter of all time, it's not like GSP is going to be fighting a guy who's only ability is his size. The size just gives an amazing fighter an obvious advantage before the bell even rings, as if fighting Anderson isn't hard enough already when the sizes are equal. What GSP does at WW is WW, personally I don't even think GSP would beat Sonnen in a 3 rounder. GSP vs Anderson is a name vs name fight, in reality it's a mismatch.

I would be interested to see GSP fight at MW if Anderson moves up which he said he doesn't want to or if Anderson retires. It will also make the WW division alot more intriguing if GSP moved up. Assuming he beats Shields of course.
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Old 03-05-2011, 02:22 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I'm a big GSP fan but this "I have a lot to lose" stuff is crap. He is moving up to fight not only a larger guy but the consensus p4p best. If he loses he can shrug his shoulders and everyone will say "Silva was bigger than him". He doesn't lose a belt, has a ready made excuse, he loses very little. Of course any loss affects your reputation a little but this is going to damage it the least possible amount. GSP is basically freerolling this fight compared to Silva who would not only have a belt on the line but "lose" far more credibility by losing to the smaller guy.

GSP should be dying for this fight, I don't understand his reluctance.
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Old 03-05-2011, 02:28 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I think GSP would need even longer. Its not a matter of building mass to make weight. He walks at 190ish. He could make weight tomorrow. The issue is raw strength. the GSP walking at 190 would get ragdolled by Silva on a basic strength level IMO. To be even close to match for Silva he'd need at the minimun as solid 20lbs more muscle, not mass, muscle. Would would take a very long time to build.

Look at Stephan Struve. The guy talks about how hard he works to build strong powerful muscle instead of bulky wasteful mass. And he's still a string bean.

I think 6 months is a very liberal quantity of time, IMO it would be more like 9 months of solid power lifting to build the strength and size to counter Silva (take him down, outgrapple him, hold him down, etc.), and another 2-3 to condition his cardiovascular and musculo-skeletal system, to maintain the explosiveness and endurance that makes WW GSP the MW GSP we think can hang with Silva.
Exactly. This idea that GSP can easily weigh 200 on fight night in his first foray into MW, against Anderson Silva, and be the same explosive GSP we know and love... is ridiculous. As if its that simple.

Thank you rodent ninja, for wording it so much better then I could.
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I'm a big GSP fan but this "I have a lot to lose" stuff is crap. He is moving up to fight not only a larger guy but the consensus p4p best. If he loses he can shrug his shoulders and everyone will say "Silva was bigger than him". He doesn't lose a belt, has a ready made excuse, he loses very little. Of course any loss affects your reputation a little but this is going to damage it the least possible amount. GSP is basically freerolling this fight compared to Silva who would not only have a belt on the line but "lose" far more credibility by losing to the smaller guy.

GSP should be dying for this fight, I don't understand his reluctance.
I think a reason for it is because Georges really doesn't handle losses very well and when you lose to Anderson it usually isn't just a loss, often times it's a devastating and sometimes embarrassing loss. If Anderson were to hypothetically beat GSP in similar fashion to what he did to Forrest, Franklin, or even Vitor I think it would crush Georges mentally and emotionally even if he went back to WW.
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Exactly. This idea that GSP can easily weigh 200 on fight night in his first foray into MW, against Anderson Silva, and be the same explosive GSP we know and love... is ridiculous. As if its that simple.

Thank you rodent ninja, for wording it so much better then I could.
Its not just about him putting on the weight, he has to be strong at the weight too (while maintaining his speed/agility and whatever other aspects of his game that could be compromised by a hefty weights bulking program)

I just think the fight is not competitive enough, I would expect Silva to walk through him (but you do have to respect GSP for the great champion that he is and give him an outside chance due to his outstanding wrestling skill set)

I think the overall better challenges for each from a fans point of view would be to see them both step up in weight class and try to replicate the dominance of their current divisions in a heavier weight class.

I'd much rather see both step up and win titles in new weight classes than fight each other.

Fight each other and we get one epic match up (one highly likely to be a major let down) but each could have several intriguing fights in a new weight class against the top guys if they stepped up.
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A friend of a friend kind of thing who knows St.Pierre was telling me he is very conflicted because of close friends in the middleweight division. Nate in particular he has a soft spot for and really believes Nate deserves to be champion one day.

At the same time he is battling his personal goal to go down as the best in his era and that is his sole reason for considering this gamble. The new pressure added by first the fans, and now Dana is actually not helping the situation because his management has started to campaign hard against the idea.

Weight is NOT the big issue, ask anyone who fights and has sparred with Georges. He is a very strong and solid 195lbs right now and has no problem throwing around Rashad. Weight is what might end up being used as the "public" reason for this fight not to happen.
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wow i really didnt realise it was that hard to put on 10 pounds of muscle

if its needed so much time and effort then why the hell is there even talk about this fight happening? why would dana mention it? why would the UFC be planning it?

if this fight would only be possible in mid 2012 then i really dont understand why we are having this debate now, talk about blowing your load early

dana should have kept his big ass mouth shut

when this fight truly can happen AS will have already beaten every other MW on the roster and beaten the LHW champ...theres really no point in this fight happening by then
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wow i really didnt realise it was that hard to put on 10 pounds of muscle

if its needed so much time and effort then why the hell is there even talk about this fight happening? why would dana mention it? why would the UFC be planning it?

if this fight would only be possible in mid 2012 then i really dont understand why we are having this debate now, talk about blowing your load early

dana should have kept his big ass mouth shut

when this fight truly can happen AS will have already beaten every other MW on the roster and beaten the LHW champ...theres really no point in this fight happening by then
People talk about it for the same reason they talked about Emelianenko vs Nogeuira, or Liddell vs W. Silva, or Tyson vs Ali. Its one of those massive "What ifs?"
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There are so many great potential match ups for Silva at LHW, I don't understand why all the hype surrounds a potential match up with GSP when he could be pitted against the top stars in the LHW division.

I'd love to see him fight any of the following.. Rampage, Rashad, Shogun, Machida or Jones. He has already proved himself up at that weight by beating Griffin with ease and I wouldn't doubt his ability to beat any of those listed.
It is because GSP and Silva are widely regarded as the #1 and #2 fighters in the world. Therefor the top 2 fighters interests a lot of people more than some of the top ranked LHW's right now.
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