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Cragly 03-06-2011 04:41 AM

Revolving title = Excitment and intrigue
 
People talk it up as a bad thing...
I think the revolving title makes for an exciting division means the competition is alive and healthy. For example...

Rampage
Rashad
Machida
Forrest
Couture
Tito (on the way out)
Shogun

All former(1 current) champions all who have an equal chance of getting it again. Add then the contenders...

Jones
T.Silva
Franklin(add former champ in diff div)
Bader
Davis
Gustaffson(will be a jet)
Hammill

Granted it does fall away quickly, but geez its any bodies game.

Then the issue over at LW where everyone is a contender cause of all the rematches stagnating the title shots.

Who doesn't love that??

Soojooko 03-06-2011 05:05 AM

I love both. I love revolving belts. I love dominant champions.

The thing with dominant champs is the value they add to the belt. Winning a belt that has swapped hands for 5 years will never carry the same weight as taking it from a champion that has held it for 5 years. In closing, revolving belts are good for the fans and the entertainment value. But as far as pure sporting reasons are concerned, a dominant champ is a very healthy thing.

EliteUndisputed 03-06-2011 08:08 AM

Shogun is keeping the belt for a while.

I don't see anyone at 205 that can beat him, he's ahead of the pack by quite a bit. Davis seems to be the biggest threat with his strength but I don't think he could keep Shogun down long enough to win.

Spec0688 03-06-2011 11:25 AM

I think a champion who holds his belt is more exciting to watch. You alawys end up watching it to see if that said person will finally lose or if he will be able to win in a dominant fashion.

Thats not to say that the LHW division is boring.

BrianRClover 03-06-2011 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Soojooko (Post 1375410)
I love both. I love revolving belts. I love dominant champions.

The thing with dominant champs is the value they add to the belt. Winning a belt that has swapped hands for 5 years will never carry the same weight as taking it from a champion that has held it for 5 years. In closing, revolving belts are good for the fans and the entertainment value. But as far as pure sporting reasons are concerned, a dominant champ is a very healthy thing.

What he said.

sNuFf_rEaLiTy 03-06-2011 03:03 PM

I think revolving belts are just a sign of how close the competition is.

I love dominant champs to, Anderson Silva is no doubt an amazing MMA figurehead and I may not like GSP but I do respect him. I just personally don't think the WW and MW divisions are quite as deep and close as LW, LHW and HW. Not to take anything away from the defending champs, but is anyone surprised that it's those 2 divisions with dominant champs at the moment?

jonnyg4508 03-06-2011 03:30 PM

Need both. Few dominant champs annd a few divisions that are up for grabs.

ACTAFOOL 03-06-2011 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sNuFf_rEaLiTy (Post 1375714)
I think revolving belts are just a sign of how close the competition is.

I love dominant champs to, Anderson Silva is no doubt an amazing MMA figurehead and I may not like GSP but I do respect him. I just personally don't think the WW and MW divisions are quite as deep and close as LW, LHW and HW. Not to take anything away from the defending champs, but is anyone surprised that it's those 2 divisions with dominant champs at the moment?

BS... the other divisions are the ones who lack true elite of the elite fighters IMO

shogun could be one if it wasnt for his knee..or maybe JBJ will be one:thumbsup:

i dont think its fun when the belt is like hot potato, because that just means that the vitory wasnt that impressive, its not impressive to be champ and lose it in your next fight, the LHW belt is in need of a dominant champ to bring that value back

BJ made the LW belt matter, and frankie is keeping it strong for now

the FW belt matters, WW belt, MW belt...but the LHW belt? who cares whos champ, by the next defense we will have a new one, its a fun division because of the fighters, but lacking a dominant champ kinda takes away the meaning of being a champ

theres that saying that you're only truly a champion once you defend your belt..

Liddellianenko 03-07-2011 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ACTAFOOL (Post 1375918)
BS... the other divisions are the ones who lack true elite of the elite fighters IMO

shogun could be one if it wasnt for his knee..or maybe JBJ will be one:thumbsup:

i dont think its fun when the belt is like hot potato, because that just means that the vitory wasnt that impressive, its not impressive to be champ and lose it in your next fight, the LHW belt is in need of a dominant champ to bring that value back

BJ made the LW belt matter, and frankie is keeping it strong for now

the FW belt matters, WW belt, MW belt...but the LHW belt? who cares whos champ, by the next defense we will have a new one, its a fun division because of the fighters, but lacking a dominant champ kinda takes away the meaning of being a champ

theres that saying that you're only truly a champion once you defend your belt..

This. You can tell how "deep" the LHW division is when the champ from a lower weight class DESTROYS the guy who held the belt 8 months back and makes him run crying from the octagon without landing so much as a punch. I know it's Anderson, but if the division were so stacked it's ex champs with their weight advantage could offer much tougher fights.

IMO the only exceptional fighters in the LHW division are Jones and Davis. The rest only look good because contrary to perception their competition in the LHW division is actually quite weak, with mostly poor technique brawlers and LnP wrestlers (except the two I mentioned).

Same with LW. Weak champs in a weak division that only looks great because all the guys are basically elitish mid-tiers. This is why their champ can't just climb up and destroy ex-champs and contenders in the other divs. Heck, I doubt edgar could even win if he dropped to FW and fought Aldo.

So personally I don't like revolving door belts. It generally shows a weakish division, not a shark tank as people like to assume. But I think that era will soon end in LHW with Jones or eventually Davis.

Kreed 03-07-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sNuFf_rEaLiTy (Post 1375714)
I think revolving belts are just a sign of how close the competition is.

I love dominant champs to, Anderson Silva is no doubt an amazing MMA figurehead and I may not like GSP but I do respect him. I just personally don't think the WW and MW divisions are quite as deep and close as LW, LHW and HW. Not to take anything away from the defending champs, but is anyone surprised that it's those 2 divisions with dominant champs at the moment?

I agree with most of this but the part about the HW.That division isnt deep at all, for a guy with no striking/punch resistance and just raw brute strength (with no technique0 to just come in off the street and win the title like gangbusters that should tell you something.Who knows what cain goin to be like when he returns..The ufc HW division is a sorry case of who sucks the least..


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