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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-06-2011, 07:33 PM
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Shogun will be in trouble once Jones punches him.... what a stupid statement.


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I hate to break it to the guy but if anyone hits someone at LHW they're going to be in trouble...........Pretty obvious when big guys throws hands.

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I expect Shogun to charge Jones much like he did Machida. Shogun's technique is solid enough that he can rush you and still land. Too many fighters allows Jon Jones to fight his fight... you can't fight warily against a man like him. Shogun needs to put the pressure on, and he needs to do so quickly. You can throw a man completely out of whack when you give him a taste of his own medicine.
Shogun didn't 'charge' Machida, he kept him in kicking distance and punished him with kicks. Counter-striking Machida actually.

Shogun's best chance is circling ideally away from the fences, He needs to avoid JBJ getting close and taking out his legs and beating him with cardio. If the distance closes early by either fighter, JBJ has the advantage.

If he Shogun charges - that's Jones' game - the clinch - piercing elbows/brutal knees - using his balance, agility, power for trip/slams to use his brutal GnP. Maybe if Shogun has some great game plan of baiting JBJ in to a submission - otherwise it'd be stupid to charge at Jones.
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I really looking forward to seeing Bones get punched very hard in the face. Not because I dislike him, but because its an unknown factor and I'm keen to see the fibre of Jones chin tested. If it turns out, on top of his extra ordinary skills, that he has an iron jaw? God help everybody.
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Really unsure how this fight is going to unfold.

Don't think Shogun can utilize too many leg kicks for it to be effective since it puts him at risk from a takedown.

JBJ can strike although he always go for the GNP. That's where he's comfortable.

SO...I think Shogun will reverse roles and take him down to break his confidence. If that happens we will see what JBJ is all about.

Anyone can dish out pain and implement their own game plans. What if everything isn't going his way, can he adapt...

Providing Shogun is 100% healed and in excellent shape I'm going with Shogun by 4th round TKO.

Would like to see this fight go into the championship rounds.
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Shogun didn't 'charge' Machida, he kept him in kicking distance and punished him with kicks. Counter-striking Machida actually.

Shogun's best chance is circling ideally away from the fences, He needs to avoid JBJ getting close and taking out his legs and beating him with cardio. If the distance closes early by either fighter, JBJ has the advantage.

If he Shogun charges - that's Jones' game - the clinch - piercing elbows/brutal knees - using his balance, agility, power for trip/slams to use his brutal GnP. Maybe if Shogun has some great game plan of baiting JBJ in to a submission - otherwise it'd be stupid to charge at Jones.
I think he's referring to the second fight. Shogun charged at Machida with a barrage of punches, more punches than kicks and knocked machida out cold.

JJ's advantage in the clinch is with his trips and throws, not knees.

Shogun will go berserker on Jones and attack with with a variety of different strikes, punches and kicks, he doesn't care about being taken down because he's so comfortable from his back.

His mistake in the first machida fight was being overly cautious of Machidas striking and not pulling the trigger and going for the kill. In the second fight, he payed no respect to machidas striking power and knocked him out.

He needs to do the same thing with Jones. Charge him over and over until he knocks him out, he shouldnt fear or worry about Jones striking at all. Its the GNP on the ground he has to worry about, since the take down is inevitable.
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I think Jones is a great fighter, but I think he is in for a very rude awakening. Going from Vera and Bader to Shogun is a MASSIVE step up. I honestly don't think he wins this fight. He could, but I think Shogun takes it. Jones' striking is good, but very far below Shogun's. Jones will have the wrestling advantage but I can see Shogun holding his own on the ground and even sweeping Jones.

I would rather see Jones fight an actual contender first. Because frankly, he hasn't fought anyone near the title yet.


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I seem to remember Bader landing a very solid right hand to Jones head (I think Jones was jumping in with a knee or elbow) and it had no effect at all... Bader probably isn't the hardest puncher in the LHW division but he's up there (at a guess I'd say top 5?) so I don't think Jones has too much to worry about.

Standing up against Jones (even though his striking needs work) is suicide - Jones has and 8 inch reach advantage. There is no way that Shogun goes into this fight thinking he has the edge in striking.

In the clinch, it's all Jones - and that also gives Jones the edge in takedowns.

I've said it before on this forum - the only way I see anyone beating Jones is to attack his legs - slow him up, take his base and then knock him out... So the ideal opponent (IMO) to beat Jones would be someone patient, with great muay thai, with a good ground game...

Styles make fights (so the old boxing adage goes) and what we have here is perfect styles match-up… Even so, I think youth, athleticisms and raw talent take this – Jones via stoppage in the third
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Standing up against Jones (even though his striking needs work) is suicide - Jones has and 8 inch reach advantage. There is no way that Shogun goes into this fight thinking he has the edge in striking.
You're talking about a guy who stood and traded with Overeem, twice I might add, and didn't even come close to being knocked out. The reach difference there was almost as large and Overeem is a much better and more dangerous striker than Jones. Unless Jones has magically absorbed all of Anderson Silva's standup skills, I doubt Shogun has much to worry about on the feet.
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